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Trump says he bombed Iran
(03-22-2026, 06:44 PM)DBCowboy Wrote: Epstein and the Russian hooker pee dossier are what the evil communist left use to obfuscate the war and spread their own vile hatred.

I predict at the end of his term, Trump will blame the war in Iran for him breaking the debt record.

But the truth will be we were racking up a lot of debt before both. He’ll have the record for any single president. Roughly 1/3 to 1/5 of our national debt will be under his tenure, depending on how fast this war goes.
FWIW... No mention of Pepe Silvia either...

Bottom line: The people actually shaping or debating the Iran campaign are Trump's official team and political inner circle, focused on diplomacy fallout, military objectives, and 2026 midterm risks. Epstein ties exist in the broader orbit but are irrelevant to the war decisions — exactly as with the earlier Iran-Epstein query. The connection remains a propaganda talking point, not a documented influence operation.[/quote]
Quote:No credible evidence links individuals in Trump's inner circle with documented Epstein ties to driving or influencing the current U.S.-Israel military campaign against Iran (launched in February 2026 after failed nuclear talks, often called Operation Epic Fury).
The key players shaping policy are standard administration officials, envoys, and political advisors focused on maximum pressure, regime concerns, or de-escalation amid rising oil prices and domestic pushback. Epstein connections (mostly historical social or peripheral business ties from the newly released 2026 files) appear only tangentially with Trump himself and Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick — neither of whom is reported as a central driver of Iran strike decisions. Conspiracy claims (e.g., blackmail via Epstein "intel," Mossad links, or war-as-distraction from the files) circulate heavily in pro-Iran accounts and some X chatter but stem from unverified speculation, not documents, intelligence, or testimony.
Core figures in Trump's sphere on Iran policy (as of March 2026)
These are the people repeatedly named across reporting on deliberations, messaging, and operations:
• Secretary of State Marco Rubio: Central in explaining strike timing (U.S. acted because Israel was committed and Iran would retaliate against American forces). Has pushed varied rationales (nuclear, proxies, retaliation) but aligned with Trump's shifting "victory" language. No Epstein mentions in files.
• Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth: Aggressive public framing of strikes as bounded retaliation + opportunity for Iranians; distanced from overt regime-change talk. Involved in operational messaging. No Epstein ties reported.
• Special envoy Steve Witkoff (real-estate figure and longtime Trump associate) + Jared Kushner (advisor): Led pre-strike diplomacy/negotiations with Iran (60-day deadline). Kushner briefed alongside others. Witkoff and Kushner are Trump personal loyalists; no Epstein connections in released files.
• Energy Secretary Chris Wright: Downplayed oil-market risks from strikes (citing past limited disruption). Influenced Trump's private risk assessments. No Epstein link.
• Chief of Staff Susie Wiles & deputy James Blair: Political operatives urging Trump to declare narrow victory quickly to avoid gas-price backlash and prolonged war costs. Pragmatic, not hawkish.
• Populist influencers/advisors (Steve Bannon, Tucker Carlson, Marjorie Taylor Greene): Actively pushing against escalation or prolonged involvement — emphasizing "no new wars," America First, and political risk to Trump's base. Carlson and others have publicly called it a betrayal of campaign promises. These voices are influential in the broader "sphere" but anti-war on Iran.
Other mentions: CENTCOM commander Brad Cooper (briefings), Michael Anton (policy planning), VP JD Vance (publicly against protracted conflict). Some unnamed "hawks" inside the White House advocate sustained pressure, but reporting ties them to standard neoconservative-leaning views, not Epstein.
Epstein overlap in Trump's current circle?
• Trump himself: Thousands of file references detail 1990s–early 2000s socializing (parties, flights). Epstein claimed Trump "knew about the girls" in one email (context unclear; Trump denies knowledge of crimes and says he banned Epstein from Mar-a-Lago). No files show Epstein influencing Trump's foreign policy, let alone Iran strikes.
• Howard Lutnick (Commerce Secretary): Visited Epstein's island once (2012 lunch); invited him to a 2015 event. Lutnick downplays it as minimal contact. Commerce role is tangential to war (sanctions/economy); no reporting ties him to Iran deliberations.
No other current top Iran-policy figures (Rubio, Hegseth, Witkoff, Kushner, etc.) appear in the Epstein documents as influencers or even social contacts. Past figures like Alex Acosta (2008 plea deal) are long gone from the administration.
The conspiracy angle and propaganda
Pro-Iran networks and some online accounts explicitly link the two: "Epstein files dropped → Trump attacks Iran to distract." Videos and posts (millions of views) claim Mossad/Epstein blackmail forced the war or that it protects "pedophile perverts." Iranian officials and media amplify this. U.S. reporting (WaPo, NPR) frames it as Tehran-linked misinformation gaining traction amid the files' release and war fatigue.
In reality:
• The war timeline followed collapsed 2025–2026 nuclear talks (Trump's deadline, Iranian refusal).
• Domestic debate is about politics (gas prices, base backlash) and miscalculation of Iran's response — not hidden Epstein leverage.
• Anti-war voices inside Trump's sphere (Bannon/Carlson wing) are louder than any supposed pro-war Epstein bloc.
Bottom line: The people actually shaping or debating the Iran campaign are Trump's official team and political inner circle, focused on diplomacy fallout, military objectives, and 2026 midterm risks. Epstein ties exist in the broader orbit but are irrelevant to the war decisions — exactly as with the earlier Iran-Epstein query. The connection remains a propaganda talking point, not a documented influence operation.
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Always hopeful yet discontent, knows changes aren't permanent
But change is 
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(03-22-2026, 07:11 PM)CriticalStinker Wrote: I predict at the end of his term, Trump will blame the war in Iran for him breaking the debt record.

But the truth will be we were racking up a lot of debt before both. He’ll have the record for any single president. Roughly 1/3 to 1/5 of our national debt will be under his tenure, depending on how fast this war goes.


I do wish you were as critical of Biden and Obama, but you weren't.

So what you say is meaningless.
You must develop the ability to be disliked in order to free yourself from the prison of other people's opinions.
(03-22-2026, 07:16 PM)DBCowboy Wrote: I do wish you were as critical of Biden and Obama, but you weren't.

So what you say is meaningless.



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His mind was not for rent to any god or government
Always hopeful yet discontent, knows changes aren't permanent
But change is 
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FWIW, it's a New York Times article
 
Quote: Faytuks TranslatorStaff MemberAPP7:23 PMSunday, March 22, 2026 at 7:23 PM

https://x.com/Faytuks/status/2035856048649605430

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"Behind the scenes, Netanyahu has expressed frustration that Mossad’s promises to foment revolt in Iran have not materialized. In one meeting, the PM vented that Trump might decide to end the war any day & that Mossad’s operations had yet to bear fruit"

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/22/us/po...ossad.html
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https://x.com/Faytuks/status/2035856048649605430

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 The_Man51 [NEWS], NEWSPatreon+7:23 PMSunday, March 22, 2026 at 7:23 PM

I don’t believe that for a fucking second
Quote:[7:23 PM]Sunday, March 22, 2026 at 7:23 PM

Most obvious plant ever
His mind was not for rent to any god or government
Always hopeful yet discontent, knows changes aren't permanent
But change is 
Professor Neil Ellwood Peart 
 
[Image: PEART-2744335652.gif]

 
(03-22-2026, 07:16 PM)DBCowboy Wrote: I do wish you were as critical of Biden and Obama, but you weren't.

So what you say is meaningless.

That's simply untrue.

I was extremely critical of Obama. That's why I was gravitated to Ron Paul who is the only candidate I fully supported. I did gamble on Trump in 16' as well. He's the only R or D I've voted for in a presidential.

Trump almost got as much as Obama did in half the time though. Biden came in and beat Trump's first record. 

See the trend? They don't differ on the chart. The sides are the same when it comes to debt and war, they both do it, that's where I'll go one step further and remind people they voted for Iraq and helped make sure Iran didn't get blocked. I have no problem being honest about that. Just because I criticize Trump doesn't make Obama or Biden some heros to me. They were horrible president's too.
(03-22-2026, 07:34 PM)CriticalStinker Wrote: That's simply untrue.

I was extremely critical of Obama. That's why I was gravitated to Ron Paul who is the only candidate I fully supported. I did gamble on Trump in 16' as well. He's the only R or D I've voted for in a presidential.

Trump almost got as much as Obama did in half the time though. Biden came in and beat Trump's first record. 

See the trend? They don't differ on the chart. The sides are the same when it comes to debt and war, they both do it, that's where I'll go one step further and remind people they voted for Iraq and helped make sure Iran didn't get blocked. I have no problem being honest about that. Just because I criticize Trump doesn't make Obama or Biden some heros to me. They were horrible president's too.


Lets try a different tack.

Who were your non-horrible Presidents in your lifetime...
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Always hopeful yet discontent, knows changes aren't permanent
But change is 
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(03-22-2026, 07:41 PM)putnam6 Wrote: Lets try a different tack.

Who were your non-horrible Presidents in your lifetime...

George H. W. Bush wasn't horrible.

Other than that, they were are increasingly bad, though I think Bush Jr still remains the worst in my lifetime.
(03-22-2026, 07:11 PM)CriticalStinker Wrote: I predict at the end of his term, Trump will blame the war in Iran for him breaking the debt record.

But the truth will be we were racking up a lot of debt before both. He’ll have the record for any single president. Roughly 1/3 to 1/5 of our national debt will be under his tenure, depending on how fast this war goes.


The US Congress and Senate cared about the national debt other than raising the debt limit when?
(03-22-2026, 07:45 PM)WallFlowerActive Wrote: The US Congress and Senate cared about the national debt other than raising the debt limit when?

Never.

And yet it's had a majority ruling from both parties broken up pretty equally.



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