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(03-22-2026, 01:50 PM)andy06shake Wrote: There's been hostility, sanctions, proxy clashes, and isolated incidents.
There's been more than that. You are downplaying what Iran has been up to
all around the world.
Quote:But not a continuous war. So what?
Quote:Your nation avoided fighting Iran directly for decades, so... So what? During all that time Iran grew stronger and bolder in it's attacks.
And continued to promise to wipe out Israel, America, and our allies.
It could no longer be avoided.
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(03-22-2026, 01:48 PM)CriticalStinker Wrote: Why would our morality bar be at the same height as Iran's? That's NOT what I said. I said that people are coming down on Trump for saying he might go after their electric supply, calling it a war crime .. but those same people refuse to state that what Iran is doing targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure, and that is something they've been doing for 47 years as well as doing in this phase of war, those same people refuse to state that Iran engages in 'war crimes'.
They can't bring themselves to say it.
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(03-22-2026, 01:53 PM)FlyersFan Wrote: As I said ... history shows that whoever is in the White House usually loses mid term elections.
It's expected.
Maybe so, but im inclined to believe there is losing......and then there is losing.
As to what is expected, i suppose that remains to be seen.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
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(03-22-2026, 01:55 PM)FlyersFan Wrote: There's been more than that. You are downplaying what Iran has been up to
all around the world.
So what?
So what? During all that time Iran grew stronger and bolder in it's attacks.
And continued to promise to wipe out Israel, America, and our allies.
It could no longer be avoided.
Point to the "more than that" please?
As to what could no longer be avoided.
According to who exactly?
Aside from Trump and his feelings on the matter?
Still want those Epstein files, Flyers.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
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(03-22-2026, 01:58 PM)FlyersFan Wrote: That's NOT what I said. I said that people are coming down on Trump for saying he might go after their electric supply, calling it a war crime .. but those same people refuse to state that what Iran is doing targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure, and that is something they've been doing for 47 years as well as doing in this phase of war, those same people refuse to state that Iran engages in 'war crimes'.
They can't bring themselves to say it.
Iran has committed war crimes, especially through their use of proxy terrorists.
But part of the baked in justification we have for preempting Iran is that we're morally better than them. It's a statement I agree with, but still have concerns for how we conduct ourselves on our end.
I think we're above it for one. Aside from that, I don't think targeting their critical infrastructure ends the war, I just think it speeds up the escalation while increasing the possibility of miscalculation from either side. All while likely unifying the Iranian people behind a government they had momentum against just a few months ago.
So what is the benefit in this?
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(03-22-2026, 10:27 AM)DBCowboy Wrote: Since we're talking about Cuba in relation to Iran, it's interesting to point out that this is another reason why socialism/communism will always fail.
The thing is DB, socialism is different to communism, even though you can't seem to see it?
Members on here are quick to 'yell' out Trump isn't a fascist or dictator or far-right. Yet when the shoes on the other foot you do exactly the same thing and call anyone who doesn't agree with your views a communist.
Cuba's ideology shouldn't mean Trump should be ready to attack and wipe out it's leaders. If that was truly the case, why does he not act the same way with Iran and Cuba's closest ally Putin, who is helped keep both regimes in place for years??
From A.I.
Quote:Socialism and communism both aim to reduce economic inequality, but socialism works within democratic frameworks and allows private property, while communism seeks a classless, stateless society with collective ownership of all property.
"Denial is a common tactic that substitutes deliberate ignorance for thoughtful planning."
Charles Tremper
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(03-22-2026, 02:03 PM)CriticalStinker Wrote: Iran has committed war crimes, especially through their use of proxy terrorists.
But part of the baked in justification we have for preempting Iran is that we're morally better than them. It's a statement I agree with, but still have concerns for how we conduct ourselves on our end.
I think we're above it for one. Aside from that, I don't think targeting their critical infrastructure ends the war, I just think it speeds up the escalation while increasing the possibility of miscalculation from either side. All while likely unifying the Iranian people behind a government they had momentum against just a few months ago.
So what is the benefit in this?
I wonder which direction the refugees will head?
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
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(03-22-2026, 02:12 PM)Kurokage Wrote: The thing is DB, socialism is different to communism, even though you can't seem to see it?
Members on here are quick to 'yell' out Trump isn't a fascist or dictator or far-right. Yet when the shoes on the other foot you do exactly the same thing and call anyone who doesn't agree with your views a communist.
Cuba's ideology shouldn't mean Trump should be ready to attack and wipe out it's leaders. If that was truly the case, why does he not act the same way with Iran and Cuba's closest ally Putin, who is helped keep both regimes in place for years??
From A.I.
Cries about being labeled racist
Then proceeds to label everyone Communist leftists
The political left and right mirror each other
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(03-22-2026, 01:59 PM)andy06shake Wrote: Point to the "more than that" please? Really? Iran has been bombing and killing Americans in Iraq,
sending bombs to our assets in the Middle East. Trying to destroy
Israel via Hamas, Hezbollah, and Houthis. They have terrorist
ties around the world. They aren't just sitting there minding their
own business.
The war going on now is nothing more than moving the shadow war into
the light of day and saying 'enough is enough, no more'.
Info Here
Some here
Some More Here
Quote:Still want those Epstein files, Flyers. Sure. Everyone does. On both sides.
And Trump is up to his eyeballs in the thick of that.
But it has nothing to do with Iran so I don't know
why you even brought that up.
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(03-22-2026, 02:48 PM)FlyersFan Wrote: Really? Iran has been bombing and killing Americans in Iraq,
sending bombs to our assets in the Middle East. Trying to destroy
Israel via Hamas, Hezbollah, and Houthis. They have terrorist
ties around the world. They aren't just sitting there minding their
own business.
The war going on now is nothing more than moving the shadow war into
the light of day and saying 'enough is enough, no more'.
Info Here
Some here
Some More Here
Sure. Everyone does. On both sides.
And Trump is up to his eyeballs in the thick of that.
But it has nothing to do with Iran so I don't know
why you even brought that up.
Sorry, Flyers, I'm just not convinced.
If there has been a war going on with Iran for the past 47 years.
How come Trump got elected on the back of claiming he would keep you out of wars?
See the issue?
Buddy, I'll keep bringing up those files until we see them.
Again, and again, and again, and again.
And probably long after we do....if we do…
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
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