Trump says he bombed Iran

[bastion]

I'm curious, since you mentioned international laws.  Is Iran interested, or does a holy war supersede laws according to their religion?

Please educate me...

No the regime have been in repeated violation of them via mass murdering protestors and are clearly launching cluster bombs at citizens in Israel which is gross violation of international law - doesn't mean it's ok for others to sink to their level and do the same or expect others to ignore legality and join in the war no questions asked.

Abiding by these frameworks and laws is what is  meant to seperate us from brutal regimes, totalitarian states and sponsors of terrorism - sinking to their  level is what they want as it means we lose and only helps further recruit to their twisted cause.

[Kurokage]

So when gas went above 5 dollars under Biden because "muh climate" and the evil communist left was cool with that, then why are they soiling their Depends when it goes about 3 dollars because of war?

You have to thank Trump's best buddy Putin for that, when he invaded Ukraine, and Biden didn't know what to do.

And the situation now is caused by a similar problem, with Trump not knowing what to do, and the disruption to the oil market.

[putnam6]

He said he doesn't need us any longer, Putnam6.

[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k26Uw6f5mTE]

And NATO is a defensive organisation, not Trump's private army.

As to the silly "Im scared of what our local muslim clerics will think and say", well thats just bait. 

End of the day if we decide to send forces to protect the Straits.

Starmer will need to run that past his military advisers at the very least.

Politically the decision is his, but operationally it relies heavily on professional military judgement.

Bait really? Not spoiling for a fight, quit being so sensitive

Trump and America get hit on all the time here... and I don't feel baited at all, it's only bait when there's something on the hook you want to eat.

AKA either you are sensitive to the increasing foreign influence in the UK, or you agree with it

I say it's about NATO...

BECAUSE Trump is setting up Uncle Sammy's pulling out of NATO, because Uncle Sammy's money is better spent elsewhere . After 60 years of NATO the UK, France Germany and Poland all should have been militarily in better shape, amd we might not have had Ukraine/Russia at all. Instead it's obvious NATO isn't ready for the 21st century and beyond


The US is fine militarily; they don't need the Brits' military. The Brits let your military go to shit because you've been under NATO's protection thats not fighting words thats the reality.

The political public support and perception would have been nice, and all of NATO has pussed out.

It's just like Desert Shield; the West showed a coalition of support, and it isolated Saddam. It's understandable because of how Trump is with NATO, they thumb thier noses at his ass.

HOWEVER who knows, there could be a key Iranian cleric about to give up if he knew NATO and the Gulf States and the US were unified against them, the situation is that fluid

Instead, US service personnel will have to take them out, and the war will last longer.

Hell, Starmer will likely offer asylum to the current regime; better make sure that one apartment is handicap accessible, though

The US needed the UK to just voice thier support publicly thats it, not actually do anything.

Hell, it will likely be over before you can find enough sailors to man an oiler and tow it to the Strait.

[RazorV66]

with Trump not knowing what to do

You guys keep saying Trump doesn't know what to do, why is that?

Trump doesn't make a move without consulting his military advisors....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Chiefs_of_Staff


Every one of them is a highly decorated military officer with decades of combined service.

[cherokeetroy]

Trump loyalists and paid influencers have been commanded to work in unison to smear and attack Joe Kent

Just as they were instructed to work in unison to push the "47 Year War" propaganda 

Now conservatives opposed to the war have a new label-- 'radical isolationist Woke Right cabal'

"I wonder if this guy Joe Kent was about to be fired but quickly resigned first.  That's how these things typically work.  He's part of that radical isolationist Woke Right cabal.  Watch how the leftwing media use him to attack the president and the military campaign against Iran.  In part, that's why he wrote that letter.  I wonder if he was one of the leakers in the administration.  Just asking questions."

https://x.com/marklevinshow/status/20339...39225?s=20

[Kurokage]

Two weeks into Operation Epic Fury, the dominant narrative has settled into a comfortable groove: The United States and Israel stumbled into a war without a plan. Iran is retaliating across the region. Oil prices are surging, and the world is facing another Middle Eastern quagmire. US senators have called it a blunder. Cable news has tallied the crises. Commentators have warned of a long war.

The chorus is loud and, in some respects, understandable. War is ugly, and this one has imposed real costs on millions of people across the Middle East, including the city I live in.

But this narrative is wrong. Not because the costs are imaginary, but because the critics are measuring the wrong things. They are cataloguing the price of the campaign while ignoring the strategic ledger.

When you look at what has actually happened to Iran’s principal instruments of power – its ballistic missile arsenal, its nuclear infrastructure, its air defences, its navy and its proxy command architecture – the picture is not one of US failure. It is one of systematic, phased degradation of a threat that previous administrations allowed to grow for four decades.

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2026/...ere-is-why

Even aljazeera can see the reality now.

There is a small error is the article you've copied without putting in quotes...

China are (Slowly I admit) still receiving oil and so is India and Trump has even helped these countries further by allowing sanctions on Russia to be dropped. Iran has said (from the beginning) it will allow countries to use the straits. There's been a few articles talking the support Iran is possibly getting from Russia and China. And like all dictatorships, they care very little for their population and because of their previous conflicts, there will be a muti-layer group of leaders to keep the 'regime' going till the bitter end.
I think if Iran can keep the IRG on side, I don't see them capitulating any time soon. Iran will have planed for an asymmetrical war against an American force which is why it's still causing havoc in the straits and why Trump now wants support. 
 

 How much sanctioned oil did China import from Iran, Venezuela, and Russia last year?

China probably imported at least 2.6 million bpd of sanctioned crudes in 2025, over 22 percent of total imports. This estimate includes 1.38 million bpd from Iran and 389,000 bpd from Venezuela, according to Kpler, and at least 800,000 bpd of oil from Russia. It is difficult to determine exactly how much crude the Russian oil companies sanctioned by the United States—Rosneft, Lukoil, Surgutneftegaz, and Gazprom Neft—shipped to China because there is no publicly available, official data that show Russian exports to China by company.[1] However, Rosneft exports 200,000 bpd to China via the Kazakhstan-China oil pipeline and probably most of the 600,000–700,000 bpd sent to China via the ESPO pipeline spur.
The gap between Kpler’s data on China’s Iranian and Venezuelan crude imports and that of China’s GAC is because Iranian and Venezuelan barrels are relabeled to disguise their origins. Many Iranian and Venezuelan barrels that arrive in China are rebranded as Malaysian. China imports more “Malaysian” crude (1.3 million bpd in 2025) than Malaysia produces (535,000 bpd in 2024), and the waters off Malaysia are a hotbed of ship-to-ship (STS) oil transfers.

[andy06shake]

Bait really? Not spoiling for a fight, quit being so sensitive.

Me nether, and yeah, bait. 

As to sensitive.

Not particularly.

But insinuating that Muslim clerics have any sort of sway here in the UK concerning the situation is just silly. 

As to it all being over soon.

Sounds like wishful thinking to me.

And I don't think Iran sees it that way, more's the pity. 

But if thats the case, Trump won't need NATO assistance, or the UK to send anything.

Can't see why the UK should be publicly supporting something the majority of the nation doesn't condone.

If Trump wanted our support, it may have been best to ask how the UK felt about the matter before committing to the war in Iran.

[putnam6]

Yes I know where your'e coming from for sure, but thing is if the Yanks aren't willing to kill of radical islam which probably will take a ground invasion and boots on the ground for maybe 100 years til the re-colonistaion and brainwashing of the natives into the ways of another system / culture / religion (eg. Zambia) then surely there's got to be another way. If the West won't do it then surely the baton needs passing to another to do the honourable thing for humanity, otherwise we will back to square one, next time the Mullahs possibly having acquired nukes. I just don't see another way.

There must be a separation of church and state iIRC greater Iran was not muslim historically; it was just conquered by Muslims.

Approximately 61% of current Iranians are ethnically Persian, according to the most commonly cited and consistent estimates from reliable sources like the CIA World Factbook (referenced in multiple recent summaries), World Population Review, Al Jazeera, and Wikipedia compilations drawing from demographic data.Iran's total population is around 92–93 million (based on 2025–2026 estimates from sources like Worldometer and UN projections).
This means roughly 56–57 million people identify as Persian (also called Fars in Persian contexts).

[CriticalStinker]

Bait really? Not spoiling for a fight, quit being so sensitive

Trump and America get hit on all the time here... and I don't feel baited at all, it's only bait when there's something on the hook you want to eat.

AKA either you are sensitive to the increasing foreign influence in the UK, or you agree with it

I say it's about NATO...

BECAUSE Trump is setting up Uncle Sammy's pulling out of NATO, because Uncle Sammy's money is better spent elsewhere . After 60 years of NATO the UK, France Germany and Poland all should have been militarily in better shape, amd we might not have had Ukraine/Russia at all. Instead it's obvious NATO isn't ready for the 21st century and beyond


The US is fine militarily; they don't need the Brits' military. The Brits let your military go to shit because you've been under NATO's protection thats not fighting words thats the reality.

The political public support and perception would have been nice, and all of NATO has pussed out.

It's just like Desert Shield; the West showed a coalition of support, and it isolated Saddam. It's understandable because of how Trump is with NATO, they thumb thier noses at his ass.

HOWEVER who knows, there could be a key Iranian cleric about to give up if he knew NATO and the Gulf States and the US were unified against them, the situation is that fluid

Instead, US service personnel will have to take them out, and the war will last longer.

Hell, Starmer will likely offer asylum to the current regime; better make sure that one apartment is handicap accessible, though

The US needed the UK to just voice thier support publicly thats it, not actually do anything.

Hell, it will likely be over before you can find enough sailors to man an oiler and tow it to the Strait.

Polands military is quite impressive, I don’t know why you’re throwing shade their way.

Ultimately though it’s a defensive pact. 

I don’t understand why we’re so quick to provide our full military for a preemptive war for Israel though. They’ve taken more aid from the US than any other country, and their nation is younger than Trump.

What wars have they fought in for us? So if we’re using the logic of net providers and takers, why are they exempt?

Also, Iraq created the power vacuum for Iran to thrive. There was no credible threat Iraq would have attacked us. Just thousands of US soldiers gone, trillions wasted, all for a failed state.

Edit: also, the UK offered to send an aircraft carrier the first week. Trump said don’t bother, he didn’t want people trying to join a war we already won. But now we want them to come assist after that? And we’re indignant when we don’t? That is just poor form.

[Oldcarpy2]

Bait really? Not spoiling for a fight, quit being so sensitive

Trump and America get hit on all the time here... and I don't feel baited at all, it's only bait when there's something on the hook you want to eat.

AKA either you are sensitive to the increasing foreign influence in the UK, or you agree with it

I say it's about NATO...

BECAUSE Trump is setting up Uncle Sammy's pulling out of NATO, because Uncle Sammy's money is better spent elsewhere . After 60 years of NATO the UK, France Germany and Poland all should have been militarily in better shape, amd we might not have had Ukraine/Russia at all. Instead it's obvious NATO isn't ready for the 21st century and beyond


The US is fine militarily; they don't need the Brits' military. The Brits let your military go to shit because you've been under NATO's protection thats not fighting words thats the reality.

The political public support and perception would have been nice, and all of NATO has pussed out.

It's just like Desert Shield; the West showed a coalition of support, and it isolated Saddam. It's understandable because of how Trump is with NATO, they thumb thier noses at his ass.

HOWEVER who knows, there could be a key Iranian cleric about to give up if he knew NATO and the Gulf States and the US were unified against them, the situation is that fluid

Instead, US service personnel will have to take them out, and the war will last longer.

Hell, Starmer will likely offer asylum to the current regime; better make sure that one apartment is handicap accessible, though

The US needed the UK to just voice thier support publicly thats it, not actually do anything.

Hell, it will likely be over before you can find enough sailors to man an oiler and tow it to the Strait.

Just stop your baiting.

And perhaps do some research on NATO's Charter.

Clue: it's not there as your private Army.

Has the US invoked any Article of the Charter? No.

Could it?  No.

So go away and live with the consequences of Trump's and Israel's War and quit whining.