Trump says he bombed Iran

[DBCowboy]

Cat got your tongue?

I understand. Unlike some of the more simpleminded ideologues who congregate here, you have brains enough to understand what has happened. 

Don & Bibi’s Excellent Adventure has bombed, and not the way they think. US-sponsored regime change has succeeded only in replacing one Ayatollah Khamenei with another. Even as your windbag of a President declares victory, Iran continues to fulfil its strategic objectives The Straits of Hormuz remain closed. Iranian drones and missiles continue to blast targets in the Gulf and in Israel. The Iranians, amazingly, have won.

No wonder you haven't got a word to say for yourself. Can’t say I sympathise, but I do understand.

So nice to see another expert in geo-political conflict.

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[CriticalStinker]

If you're on X then you've probably seen the videos
In conjunction with the real war, there's a propaganda AI generated meme war going on between US and Iran:

https://x.com/IRAN_in_NL/status/20320087...76877?s=20

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The White House is catching flak for the insensitive content being posted from official accounts 

https://x.com/criptopaul/status/20321268...85176?s=20

[Image: https://i.imgur.com/HnCrxcr.jpeg]


There's a saying that goes...

When someone shows you their true colors 

Don't try to repaint them

I'm no prude, I've laughed at edgy memes from friends... But I also understand that they have depth, are good people, and we all use humor to get through the madness of the world.

But when you're in charge of the most powerful country on earth, I think it's good form to show some professionalism, especially in a "preemptive" war. 

If for nothing else, one of the lessons I'd hope we'd have learned from Iraq is that we won the conventional war in the very beginning with impressive speed. Militarily, it was lights out for the regime. Where we failed was with hearts and minds. And I think that happened there and at home.

Compared to this conflict, I actually think we went about it better too. For one, 9/11 happened, so it's a little easier to give benefit of the doubt for those in power as well as the population. We were all pissed. I wasn't an adult, but I was behind it. That doesn't mean there aren't lessons to learn after the fact though. At the end of the day, it was at a bare minimum hundreds of thousands of lives between direct and indirect effects of war.

But Congress voted it through, when we found Saddam he got a trial which was tried under 5 Iraqi judges. 

The other problem we found was de-Baathification. At a certain point, you have to have a line of distinction between shot callers at the top of an oppressive government compared to low and mid level pencil pushers.

This time around, we thought we could have Israel take out their leader, and things would just work themselves out. When that didn't work they hit the only industry the struggling country had to rebuild itself when that time came.

Whatever momentum the people had against the regime was likely taken out in that combination of what I see as missteps. The only thing that can make a disgruntled populace come together is an external threat. 

Now we're in a predictable situation where the leadership of Iran is using the only leverage they have, which is to choke the strait. Holding the world hostage isn't a good way to get anyone in the world to sympathize with you, but I don't find it shocking behavior from someone who is cornered.

[cherokeetroy]

I'm no prude, I've laughed at edgy memes from friends... But I also understand that they have depth, are good people, and we all use humor to get through the madness of the world.

But when you're in charge of the most powerful country on earth, I think it's good form to show some professionalism, especially in a "preemptive" war. 

If for nothing else, one of the lessons I'd hope we'd have learned from Iraq is that we won the conventional war in the very beginning with impressive speed. Militarily, it was lights out for the regime. Where we failed was with hearts and minds. And I think that happened there and at home.

Compared to this conflict, I actually think we went about it better too. For one, 9/11 happened, so it's a little easier to give benefit of the doubt for those in power as well as the population. We were all pissed. I wasn't an adult, but I was behind it. That doesn't mean there aren't lessons to learn after the fact though. At the end of the day, it was at a bare minimum hundreds of thousands of lives between direct and indirect effects of war.

But Congress voted it through, when we found Saddam he got a trial which was tried under 5 Iraqi judges. 

The other problem we found was de-Baathification. At a certain point, you have to have a line of distinction between shot callers at the top of an oppressive government compared to low and mid level pencil pushers.

This time around, we thought we could have Israel take out their leader, and things would just work themselves out. When that didn't work they hit the only industry the struggling country had to rebuild itself when that time came.

Whatever momentum the people had against the regime was likely taken out in that combination of what I see as missteps. The only thing that can make a disgruntled populace come together is an external threat. 

Now we're in a predictable situation where the leadership of Iran is using the only leverage they have, which is to choke the strait. Holding the world hostage isn't a good way to get anyone in the world to sympathize with you, but I don't find it shocking behavior from someone who is cornered.

Trump has displayed a consistent pattern of apathy, bullying and inappropriate humor

These are all characteristics of the Dark Triad personality type

There are several examples of observing thoughtless behavior from him, a few of the more recent moments is his lie turned brushoff of the Iranian school bombing, his declination to remove his cap when receiving fallen soldiers and his cavalier attitude about the war death toll when he changed the subject to the golden drapes he picked out for his ballroom

Some shrug it off as Trump being a master troll 
I think the issue is deeper than that

[cherokeetroy]

Bibi is alluding to a couple of things:
1 Return of the Messiah 
2 Preparation for this won't end anytime soon

"Netanyahu: We will make it to the return of the Messiah, but this will not happen next Thursday."

https://x.com/DailyNewsJustIn/status/203...61882?s=20

[FlyersFan]

"Netanyahu: We will make it to the return of the Messiah, but this will not happen next Thursday."

This isn't making sense to me.
He's Jewish.
He doesn't believe the  Messiah has come yet.
So how can he (allegedly) say that 'we will make it to the RETURN of the Messiah'?
(Unless I don't understand what the Jews think of their Messiah)

[CriticalStinker]

This isn't making sense to me.
He's Jewish.
He doesn't believe the  Messiah has come yet.
So how can he (allegedly) say that 'we will make it to the RETURN of the Messiah'?
(Unless I don't understand what the Jews think of their Messiah)

Jews believe that a Messiah will come one day, they just don't believe Jesus was the one.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

This isn't making sense to me.
He's Jewish.
He doesn't believe the  Messiah has come yet.
So how can he (allegedly) say that 'we will make it to the RETURN of the Messiah'?
(Unless I don't understand what the Jews think of their Messiah)

It really depends on the version of Judaism you subscribe to.  Reform is popular and they barely believe in a soul.

Reform Jews are like Episcopalians (Anglicans), or even those wacky UUs in America. They're more likely to be liberal and not take scripture literally.

This is the reform Jewish god.

Bibi references god like how US President's say "God bless America" or go to religious pancake breakfasts.

He might not mean any of that. I'm sure Israel has an equivalent of "that will play in Peoria." And that is probably more of his pandering to his hardline zionist orthodox base.  (Think Israel's Evangelicals, both about 27% of their respective populations)

The latest the Jewish Messiah can arrive is 2240! Because 6000 years and such. But even if you're not in America, you're still in America...

• Israeli Jews: According to a poll cited by All Israel News, 94% of right-wing/Orthodox voters in Israel believe in the coming of the Messiah, while only 15% of left-wing voters share that view. Another poll suggested that nearly half of Israeli Jews no longer believe the Messiah is coming.

Because there is no mandate for Church/State separation in Israel, The Jewish Homeland, he appeals to his right-wing base of support if he says something like that..

[cherokeetroy]

This isn't making sense to me.
He's Jewish.
He doesn't believe the  Messiah has come yet.
So how can he (allegedly) say that 'we will make it to the RETURN of the Messiah'?
(Unless I don't understand what the Jews think of their Messiah)

This is Grok's translation:
https://x.com/grok/status/2032254198553747645?s=20

"Here is the accurate transcription of Netanyahu's ~47-second clip: "I believe we all recognize the fact that we will reach the Kingdom. We will make it to the return of the Messiah, but this will not happen next Thursday. The lives of nations are always precarious and surrounded with threats. Our survival, our endurance, is a result of alliances that we forge for our existence to be stronger. No doubt we are moving from one battle to another. And with this battle now, with these operations, Israel has become stronger than ever." Context: Remarks delivered March 12, 2026, amid Israel's intensified military operations against Iran ("Operation Roaring Lion"), stressing resilience and strength gained from the conflict."

Here's the full video



I don't know if it's real or not

[cherokeetroy]

Apparently, Netanyahu's speech is real because people are speaking out about it

https://x.com/EyalAradi/status/2032000120049344607?s=20
https://x.com/shlomieldar/status/2032184...36235?s=20
https://x.com/eyalnaveh1/status/20321938...38129?s=20
https://x.com/haim_ru/status/2032178560773845422?s=20
https://x.com/nosseihdegel1/status/20320...75030?s=20

[Truthhurts]

God he's in idiot.