Trump says he bombed Iran

[FlyersFan]

Gentiles were promised a messiah go read the bible, specifically Daniel

Go ahead and quote it.
Show us where the gentiles are promised a messiah.

You are mistaking Daniel 9:25-27.   
There the gentiles are promised salvation.
That's different.
"Messiah" is for the liberation of the Jewish nation.

[Vermilion]

The Middle East has sticks and stones, why don't we let them do it?

What's the point of sending more aid to Israel than any other nation we've provided it for ever if they can't do this on their own?

You're acting as if Iran is unique. There are dictatorships all around the world, some even driven by religion. Some of them we even support. There are genocides that happen in Africa every couple of years or decades. Myanmar has been a shit show.

So why is it when something happens in the Middle East, we always have to run point and pay for it?

Then when we talk about how rough things are at home, people will say that's not up to the government, or accuse people of socialism. Yet Israel has received more aid than any other nation from us, and they have free health care. Hell, they started as a socialist country. They had good relations with the USSR, and many officials in the US have noted that they passed along intelligence gathered by Jonathan Pollard. Remember that, one of the most damaging spies in our history?

None of the logic makes sense. It's just so obviously another Neocon war. All of a sudden you have Chuck Schumer and Lindsey Graham on your side, and you think you're doing the right thing for our country?

The aid we send to Israel is for US weapons and defense partnership.
It isn’t cash.
It’s similar to what we gave Ukraine, except Ukraine gets billions in cash too.
If Ukraine was a Jewish country, you might have a problem with that.

[FlyersFan]

And by what metric is Trump any better?

Trump is bad.
But less bad than Biden
(so far)
IMHO.
Clinton is better than Trump, Biden and Carter.
He was a stink'n mess personally ... but did okay politically.

But we could rack and stack these corrupt politicians all day ... whatever.

[CriticalStinker]

The aid we send to Israel is for US weapons and defense partnership.
It isn’t cash.
It’s similar to what we gave Ukraine, except Ukraine gets billions in cash too.
If Ukraine was a Jewish country, you might have a problem with that.

Except we had a treaty with Ukraine from the 90's because they foreigted their nuclear weapons. We also didn't directly get involved (sans targeting help which I was against). We gave them hand me downs that were going to be cycled out anyways.

We're using our most advanced weaponry we can't replace quickly right now, and we are directly involved.

This has nothing to do with people being Jewish, that's just a trope to keep people from criticizing a nation we have no treaties with, who has never assisted in our wars, yet we have to fight theirs.

[SteamyAmerican]

I know I’ll get flamed for not having served or understanding the complexity of my simpleton inquiry, but why is it Trump wants to whinge about NATO being a drain on the US economy while shelling out $Bs to Israel and keeping the all the damned ME bases open?

What gives?

Like those aren’t drains on our political capital and the national debt at home?

Hell, he even wants Bagram back, and now I guess we knew why.

[Creaky]

  I know better than you do.  What do you know?  You think Noahs Ark is a true story!  

No the gentiles were not promised a messiah.   It's a Jewish term for Jewish people.  
It's the prophecy of a deliverer of the Jewish nation.   It has nothing to do with Gentiles
being delivered.  

The Jews were 'Gods Chosen People' because God chose them to have the Christ born
through.    This will never change.   They were chosen.   

Romans 11 talks about how since the Jews rejected salvation and that Jesus was accepted
as redeemer by Gentiles, then the Gentiles were then blessed by God with Salvation.
The mandate to proclaim the kingdom of God falls to the Gentiles.

But in no way does that mean Jesus is the 'messiah' for Gentiles.  The Gentiles didn't 
await a Messiah and  had no prophecy for one therefore Christ isn't one for them.
He is Savior ... he is Redeemer ... He is God the Son ... but not 'Messiah'.

And the Jews are still 'Gods Chosen' to have the Christ and salvation come through them.
John 4:22 - "Salvation is from the Jews".   (it was today’s for me to derail the thread, go read the biblereading for Mass)

Not for me to derail the thread but
The Jews were chosen, they are no longer, they are receiving what is called revenge from the muslims be that good or not
Fransiscan monks and ai, it may support your argument but I care not
Read Daniel, it’s all there 

Gentiles were promised a messiah 
 

• Prophetic Foretelling: Isaiah prophesied that the Messiah would be a light to the Gentiles and that the nations would seek him.
  
• And promised in Genesis, pre Abraham
  

Chosen people 
“I gave faithless Israel her certificate of divorce and sent her away because of all her adulteries. . . . Because Israel’s immorality mattered so little to her, she defiled the land and committed adultery with stone and wood. In spite of all this, her unfaithful sister Judah did not return to me with all her heart, but only in pretense” (Jeremiah 3:8–10).

enough said, you are welcome to your beliefs

[SteamyAmerican]

The aid we send to Israel is for US weapons and defense partnership.
It isn’t cash.
It’s similar to what we gave Ukraine, except Ukraine gets billions in cash too.
If Ukraine was a Jewish country, you might have a problem with that.

Who says it isn’t?

I mean their leader certainly acts like he deserves everything even after it’s disclosed he and his lackeys lost $Bs in corruption. And why is okay to for Trump to leave him out in the cold now?

Our own fire to tend maybe?

ETA: Why dafuq is Israel even our greatest ally? By what metric?

[CriticalStinker]

Trump is bad.
But less bad than Biden
(so far)
IMHO.
Clinton is better than Trump, Biden and Carter.
He was a stink'n mess personally ... but did okay politically.

But we could rack and stack these corrupt politicians all day ... whatever.

I mean, Jared Kushner has gotten billions of dollars to manage from some of these gulf states. He's also directly involved in the US diplomatic team.

Pam Bondi used to be a registered foreign agent for Qatar.

Bessent worked for Soros, and is now in charge of a lot of our fiscal policy. 

Witkoff has business interests over there, and also has a 12.5% stake in World Liberty Financial, who the UAE bought 49% of. 

I've never seen it this blatant before.

[Vermilion]

Except we had a treaty with Ukraine from the 90's because they foreigted their nuclear weapons. We also didn't directly get involved (sans targeting help which I was against). We gave them hand me downs that were going to be cycled out anyways.

We're using our most advanced weaponry we can't replace quickly right now, and we are directly involved.

This has nothing to do with people being Jewish, that's just a trope to keep people from criticizing a nation we have no treaties with, who has never assisted in our wars, yet we have to fight theirs.

The Jews are defending themselves with our military hardware(which they help develop with us).
We don’t give them cash nor subsidize their free health care as you claim.
They are our partner (and only democracy in the region) who is completely surrounded by Muslims who want to eradicate them(and us).

We have no treaty with Ukraine.
We never have.
They are not our ally.
They are not our partner.

[FlyersFan]

I've never seen it this blatant before.

Others have been just as corrupt.
It's just that Trump isn't very good at hiding it like they were.
He's not as smart ...