Trump says he bombed Iran

[worldstarcountry]

Hypothetical: what if the population rallies permanently behind their Mullah's now after this?? Would that rationalize the use of a nuclear detonation against Iran since a ground invasion is not practical, and wars are not won from the air??

At what point will you accept a first strike on Iran using a nuke?

[CriticalStinker]

Iran specifically has called for the death of Israel since their “revolution” in the 70’s.
This isn’t something that started in 2005.
It started with the mullahs and hopefully ends with them.

Why did that revolution happen? An overreaction to western influence on the country. We helped install the Shah after all.

Maybe they said it since the 70's, but in reality from the 70's-2005(ish), they weren't a regional power. Remember they had a brutal war with Iraq in the 80's, and Saddam still had a substantial military up into the early 2000's. So their priorities were closer to home.

The overthrow of Saddam, and the collapse of Iraq created a power vacuum where Iran could now project influence. Unintended consequences. 

Almost like that has happened every time we have a great enemy in the Middle East. 

We helped Saddam for years, we backed the Mujahideen to oust the USSR from Afghanistan (which later created roots for Al Qaeda, and our roots with Iran go back post WWII.

The absolute arrogance to think we are somehow breaking the cycle now is really stunning. Our military is the most powerful the world has ever seen, it's logistics and speeds is beyond impressive for carrying out battlefield objectives. But if you want to change the course of history, you have to win hearts and minds. You can't on one hand say you're doing this to free the Iranian people while at the same time causing more civilian casualties, hitting their water supply, and reigning oil ash on one of the most populated cities on earth.

Iran's government was an dictatorship led by religious extremism. Not even a lot of the pro Palestinian people in the west are weeping for the leaders of Iran. I think people are skeptical the way to win over the Iranian people is to show the same sort of brutality, towards the people. 

More likely, the federal state of Iran breaks up into more "manageable" (for the west) pockets of different ethnic groups fighting internally for power. Israel likes neighbors like that. Only problem is, you don't need a nation state to be a problem regionally. Just look at ISIS and the Houthis. 

Sad part is, the US has zero interest in the region. We get like 10% of our oil from there. We're taking out loans to fund this for other foreign countries.

[CriticalStinker]

Hypothetical: what if the population rallies permanently behind their Mullah's now after this?? Would that rationalize the use of a nuclear detonation against Iran since a ground invasion is not practical, and wars are not won from the air??

At what point will you accept a first strike on Iran using a nuke?

I think we need to prepare ourselves for the term limited ground force. 

It's a real possibility as we've seen Israel and the US moving to soft targets to put pressure on the whole population. If we keep doing that, I could easily see Iran retaliating and hitting something that gives us the political capital to sell a limited ground force, a quick in and out to finish this once and for all. Should sound familiar to most.

[SteamyAmerican]

Iran specifically has called for the death of Israel since their “revolution” in the 70’s.
This isn’t something that started in 2005.
It started with the mullahs and hopefully ends with them.

You mean the one the American government helped foment after the Shah’s fall?

That one?

[SteamyAmerican]

I think we need to prepare ourselves for the term limited ground force. 

It's a real possibility as we've seen Israel and the US moving to soft targets to put pressure on the whole population. If we keep doing that, I could easily see Iran retaliating and hitting something that gives us the political capital to sell a limited ground force, a quick in and out to finish this once and for all. Should sound familiar to most.

Hmmmm.

Nothing like a good ol’ False Flag to get the Budweiser infused blood pumping….

[FlyersFan]

I think you may be having some cognitive disconnect here. 

Your entire post was drivel and assumed way too much ... as always.   
Learn how to read and get the chip off your shoulder.

I was explaining the term 'Messiah' to the poster.   He said that Jesus is the Messiah for Christians.  That's incorrect.   It's the JEWS who are awaiting the Messiah according to their prophecies.  Christians have no such prophecies therefore they have no Messiah.    Christians have "Christ" who is Redeemer.   

And I explained the term 'Gods Chosen People' since it wasn't understood as well.   Why that is the title given to the Jews (or that they gave themselves, depending on how you look at it)

I think I can understand you better now that I clearly see your one of those religious fanatics I hear so much about

​​​​​ Understanding terms used doesn't equate to 'religious fanaticism'.   ​​​​​​​ ​​​​​​​

You really should just stop talking.  

[Vermilion]

Why did that revolution happen? An overreaction to western influence on the country. We helped install the Shah after all.

Maybe they said it since the 70's, but in reality from the 70's-2005(ish), they weren't a regional power. Remember they had a brutal war with Iraq in the 80's, and Saddam still had a substantial military up into the early 2000's. So their priorities were closer to home.

The overthrow of Saddam, and the collapse of Iraq created a power vacuum where Iran could now project influence. Unintended consequences. 

Almost like that has happened every time we have a great enemy in the Middle East. 

We helped Saddam for years, we backed the Mujahideen to oust the USSR from Afghanistan (which later created roots for Al Qaeda, and our roots with Iran go back post WWII.

The absolute arrogance to think we are somehow breaking the cycle now is really stunning. Our military is the most powerful the world has ever seen, it's logistics and speeds is beyond impressive for carrying out battlefield objectives. But if you want to change the course of history, you have to win hearts and minds. You can't on one hand say you're doing this to free the Iranian people while at the same time causing more civilian casualties, hitting their water supply, and reigning oil ash on one of the most populated cities on earth.

Iran's government was an dictatorship led by religious extremism. Not even a lot of the pro Palestinian people in the west are weeping for the leaders of Iran. I think people are skeptical the way to win over the Iranian people is to show the same sort of brutality, towards the people. 

More likely, the federal state of Iran breaks up into more "manageable" (for the west) pockets of different ethnic groups fighting internally for power. Israel likes neighbors like that. Only problem is, you don't need a nation state to be a problem regionally. Just look at ISIS and the Houthis. 

Sad part is, the US has zero interest in the region. We get like 10% of our oil from there. We're taking out loans to fund this for other foreign countries.

Iran is the largest most destructive state sponsor of terrorism in the world.
Giving them pallets of carrots was not productive.
Now they get the stick.
It’s possible that neither works, because terrorists are evil and stupid, but something needs to be done by somebody who has the sticks(and stones) to do it.

[Vermilion]

You mean the one the American government helped foment after the Shah’s fall?

That one?

Very good arguments can be made regarding “Jimmy Carter was the worst president ever”.

[FlyersFan]

Very good arguments can be made regarding “Jimmy Carter was the worst president ever”.

Pre 2020.
Not since Biden.

[worldstarcountry]

You really should just stop talking.  

Your recommendation is noted, and disregarded.

If there  is a ground incursion, I would expect the entirety  of it to be composed of the Israeli IDF citizens who seem to be so concerned. A foreign legion component such as the one in Ukraine is also a welcome addition. Since that is all the rage in the 21st century, crowdsourcing foreign militants, it should be a relatively simple task. The Iranians should welcome liberation by the IDF ground incursion if all the rhetoric is to be believed.