Trump says he bombed Iran

[FlyersFan]

Ah yes.

The Iranian Navy was gonna hit Norfolk hard after detonating a dirty bomb in the Bronx!

Is that about right?

  Snark.   
Doesn't change that I'm right.  
Their entire economy, politics, ideology was about starting war and supporting their imaginary Mahdi.
They see that as their purpose in life.   
And they've been at war via proxy for decades.
Iran being at war was inevitable.
Might as well give them what they want ..
BEFORE they get the nukes they obviously are trying to attain.
(the nukes they said they'd use on Tel Aviv)

[andy06shake]

  Snark.   
Doesn't change that I'm right.  
Their entire economy, politics, ideology was about starting war and supporting their imaginary Mahdi.
They see that as their purpose in life.   
And they've been at war via proxy for decades.
Iran being at war was inevitable.
Might as well give them what they want ..
BEFORE they get the nukes they obviously are trying to attain.
(the nukes they said they'd use on Tel Aviv)

[FlyersFan]

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... and I'll add that the religious extremists want a religious war for real .. not just for money.
They need it to feel special.   They think they are blessed and special with their god.

[andy06shake]

They think they are blessed and special with their god.

Don't they all?

I mean thats part and parcel of the soft, fuzzy, warm feeling.

People need to feel special because we evolved in social groups.

Groups where status and belonging affected our very survival.

[SteamyAmerican]

  Snark.   
Doesn't change that I'm right.  
Their entire economy, politics, ideology was about starting war and supporting their imaginary Mahdi.
They see that as their purpose in life.   
And they've been at war via proxy for decades.
Iran being at war was inevitable.
Might as well give them what they want ..
BEFORE they get the nukes they obviously are trying to attain.
(the nukes they said they'd use on Tel Aviv)

See here’s the thing. The Persians? Yeah they been around for longer than the Proxy wars we like to point to as proof. As an American, my existence and that of my country pale in comparison to the lengthy history they have. No it doesn’t make it better or worse. 

But here’s the other thing. I came to ATS because of 9/11. A lot of us did. Only to find out that the Muslim world didn’t plan that event. Ahem. So for a quarter century, or 1/10th the time the US has existed at all, over half my life, we’ve been bombing brown folks in the ME, losing my countrymen to IEDs, and fomenting a constant source of actual terrorism for the MIC to further bomb & plunder. All so plainly scripted.Just as Venezuela fell to the Rothschilds, so too goes Iran. Gotta have that world banking system in place before you usher in the Beast system, and roll out the NWO. Amirite?

But I say F ‘em both. More bacon for me. Also. Actions speak louder than words. So having nukes and saying if ya did…..those are two different calls to prayer. Got it?

[worldstarcountry]

Yeah .. the country that has continually said they are going to wipe Israel off the face of the map and destroy America, Israel and their allies are really NOT going to attack them. 

There is this a disconnect between words and action, especially since this claim of always threatening to wipe Israel from the map originates from the early 2005 or so as a statement from former President Ahmadinejad referencing the regime. He has been claimed to have been terminated.

One guy said it in any kind of official state capacity twenty years ago, which is contextually about regime change. The Ayatollah made similar remarks regarding the regime. If harping about the end of a regime is punishable by complete destruction , I suspect those who  have been changing regimes by force since WW2 may need to show some concern themselves. 

In any case, with an entire years worth of production of interceptors spent in a few days this clearly shows a need to move on to more sophisticated and cost effective solutions. What exactly is taking so long to deploy proper laser defense solutions? Israel and the US have been working on these systems for over twenty  years! The Turks already used them installed on a Humvee in Libya to take out a UAE drone before 2020.

I really cannot understand how this program has been  in the works for over twenty years, and they still are not deployed in any serious combat ready function, especially considering how far computing speeds has come along  with AI assistance.

This video is 19 years old, and you can find more updated ones throughout the years. How is it possible these are not already in the field in some configuration?? This interceptor depletion  is not sustainable, but these lasers are.

[SteamyAmerican]

My guess wsc, is that deploying munitions at a hefty rate, (give or take) is one way to drain the economy of the world’s leading aggressor while also fattening your MIC pockets.

Trump doesn’t do renewables lol. Just a guess though.

[worldstarcountry]

At the risk of being off topic ....

"Messiah' is a Jewish term and Jesus was the Messiah for the Jews alone.   Not the gentiles.  For the gentiles He is Christ the Redeemer.   Only Jews have The Messiah ... "messiah' meaning deliverer of the Jewish nation as prophecied in Jewish texts.  We have the Christ.  The Messiah fulfills Jewish prophecy for the Jews, not the Gentiles.   Gentiles didn't have the prophecies.

And yes, Judaism totally rejects Christ.   The Talmud is particularly blasphemous and disgusting.

But that doesn't change the fact that Christ chose to be born Jewish and that is why the Jews are called 'Gods Chosen People'.   God chose salvation to come through the Jews.   They will always be 'Gods Chosen People' because of that  history .. they were chosen to be the people that God was born into and to bring salvation, even if they themselves reject it.

I think you may be having some cognitive disconnect here. There is a whole chunk of the world, quite a large one in fact, that does not accept this ancient narrative as facts. Technically, those who do push that theme, could be considered a religious fanatic. I guess the rhetoric makes sense now. 

I think I can understand you better now that I clearly see your one of those religious fanatics I hear so much about.  Some cultures  on Earth, in fact  many, believe God comes back in different forms over and over again throughout time and in different cultures and places whenever the human race becomes lost or in danger or needs course correction.
 Some cultures believe he has been a fish at first, come back as a wild boar between human roles, etc ..

None of them are any more  or less believable than he chose to be a Jew  specifically because he chose Jews as his favored. Vishnu's first avatar was that of a fish

AvatarDescription1. MatsyaThe fish avatar that saved humanity from a great flood by rescuing the sage Manu and the sacred texts.2. KurmaThe tortoise avatar that supported Mount Mandara during the churning of the ocean (Samudra Manthan) to obtain nectar.3. VarahaThe boar avatar that rescued the Earth (personified as the goddess Bhumi) from a demon named Hiranyaksha.4. NarasimhaThe man-lion avatar that emerged to protect his devotee Prahlada and defeat the demon king Hiranyakashipu.5. VamanaThe dwarf Brahmin avatar who subdued the demon king Bali by asking for three paces of land and then expanding to cover the universe.6. ParashuramaThe warrior sage who wielded an axe and rid the earth of corrupt Kshatriyas.7. RamaThe prince of Ayodhya and the central figure in the epic Ramayana, symbolizing the ideal human and dharma.8. KrishnaA key figure in the Mahabharata, known for his divine play (lila), teachings (like the Bhagavad Gita), and mischief.9. BuddhaRecognized as an avatar focusing on compassion and enlightenment, though this inclusion varies among traditions.10. KalkiA future avatar expected to appear riding a white horse to restore righteousness (dharma) and destroy evil at the end of the current age (Kali Yuga).

It would  be swell to understand  better why everyone else is wrong, and why only Jesus is the way to salvation, but this topic is not really about religious fanatics as much as we are discussing the war with Iran in a more rational and measurable/quantifiable way. Not  necessarily through the lens of religious fanatics I would hope.

Iran has been preparing for this war since the revolution because they  know the Brits  have a long memory and so do the Americans. They knew through historical precedent that it would be tried again. After all, this is what civilizations do to counter threats from other civilizations, they  prepare. What a shocker??

People like to point out how under the dictator who was installed by the Americans at the behest of the British, the country had more cultural  liberty. Well interesting enough, they  had those same  liberties before the dictator was installed as well, because they were not a Theocracy. But when British and American governments feel compelled to END a regime, it just may cause the Muslims there to generate some resentment.

In a way, if the Brits and Americans had NEVER installed a dictator in the fifties, there may have  never been the need for an Islamic revolution at all. But learning from  history does not seem to be an American or European government quality in the last century...

[Kwaka]

At the risk of being off topic ....

It was on topic. Thanks for your perspective on some of the religious memes going on. It is all part of the mix with the situation.

[Vermilion]

There is this a disconnect between words and action, especially since this claim of always threatening to wipe Israel from the map originates from the early 2005 or so as a statement from former President Ahmadinejad referencing the regime. He has been claimed to have been terminated.

One guy said it in any kind of official state capacity twenty years ago, which is contextually about regime change. The Ayatollah made similar remarks regarding the regime. If harping about the end of a regime is punishable by complete destruction , I suspect those who  have been changing regimes by force since WW2 may need to show some concern themselves. 

In any case, with an entire years worth of production of interceptors spent in a few days this clearly shows a need to move on to more sophisticated and cost effective solutions. What exactly is taking so long to deploy proper laser defense solutions? Israel and the US have been working on these systems for over twenty  years! The Turks already used them installed on a Humvee in Libya to take out a UAE drone before 2020.

I really cannot understand how this program has been  in the works for over twenty years, and they still are not deployed in any serious combat ready function, especially considering how far computing speeds has come along  with AI assistance.

This video is 19 years old, and you can find more updated ones throughout the years. How is it possible these are not already in the field in some configuration?? This interceptor depletion  is not sustainable, but these lasers are.
[Video: https://youtu.be/LThD0FMvTFU]

Iran specifically has called for the death of Israel since their “revolution” in the 70’s.
This isn’t something that started in 2005.
It started with the mullahs and hopefully ends with them.