Trump says he bombed Iran

[CriticalStinker]

No, not really,

The world's more complicated than that alot more complicated. The Middle East even moreso. There are nuances, and with our 2 party systems, there are going to be divergent relationships and polices depending on who is in control

I wish it were different, but it isn't, so you put out the fires where you can.

Uncle Sam has paid money for "peace" when it's appropriate, and we've stuck our noses and forces into many places when it wasn't, and we did it anyway.

Been that way my whole life, wonder how much Carter spent smoozing Sadat, only to have hardliners assassinate him.

Now Egypt is barely a player.

We were really close to having the Saudis and Israelis recognize each other and try to coexist.

All the while there were obviously factions within the US, Israel and the Middle East who thought differently and had other plans

For Iran to go and launch missiles and drones at 11 different countries? WTH

How many countries have we fought there that we used to support?

We started the Iranian nuclear program giving them their first research reactor along with fissile material.

Our policy is always short sighted and comes back to bite us.

What interest do we have left there? Oil, we got plenty of that.

Here soon the number one federal cost is going to be interest payments. America has known that people in Iran say death to America for decades. Yet no one talked about Iran even a year ago during the election. There are threats around the globe, and right now people would have us think Iran was the most pressing one. That’s absolute bullshit. They’ve been trying to get this war since Iraq and even normies could see through it.

Israel got their wish, that’s what this all boils down to. And I’m sure in a few decades we’ll have problems with Iran again because we decided to teach the youth why the older generation hated us so much. The cycle will continue, and the young people here will pay the interest on the loans while the generation who decided this is gone.

We truly never learn our lessons. And we’ll have used our most advanced bombs and interceptors which we can’t replenish on Iran. That leaves us vulnerable to real peer threats.

edit: this is some fringe position, it’s literally what Trump campaigned and won on.

[putnam6]

How many countries have we fought there that we used to support?

We started the Iranian nuclear program giving them their first research reactor along with fissile material.

Our policy is always short sighted and comes back to bite us.

What interest do we have left there? Oil, we got plenty of that.

Here soon the number one federal cost is going to be interest payments. America has known that people in Iran say death to America for decades. Yet no one talked about Iran even a year ago during the election. There are threats around the globe, and right now people would have us think Iran was the most pressing one. That’s absolute bullshit. They’ve been trying to get this war since Iraq and even normies could see through it.

Israel got their wish, that’s what this all boils down to. And I’m sure in a few decades we’ll have problems with Iran again because we decided to teach the youth why the older generation hated us so much. The cycle will continue, and the young people here will pay the interest on the loans while the generation who decided this is gone.

We truly never learn our lessons. And we’ll have used our most advanced bombs and interceptors which we can’t replenish on Iran. That leaves us vulnerable to real peer threats.

edit: this is some fringe position, it’s literally what Trump campaigned and won on.

You are off on a historical tangent... and Im just trying to get through the day...

It would not be wise for our nominal "peer" threats to test Uncle Sam right now...

[Oldcarpy2]

I loved Hector's House as a kid..... especially Dill the dog 
As you were........
Rainbows
Jane

Ah!  Mary, Mungo and Midge, Pogles Wood, Captain Pugwash, Ivor the Engine, Bill and Ben, the Moomins, the Clangers...



Those were the days.

[cherokeetroy]

Epstein! Epstein! Epstein! OK screw it, let's cut off ties to Israel that will show them...hell, if half of what I've read is true, it's a possibility.. but

Then what happens?

Ive been brought up in a world where, if Israel is abandoned by the US, they will eventually be overrun, but not before much of the Middle East has nice new shiny glass patches where their capital cities used to be.

Thats world altering...nuclear war. I can easily rationalize, if hosting Bibi's son somehow keeps the Middle Easy from going nuclear then it might be the best outcome for 340 million Americans

I'm sorry that I can't look past the elephant in the room...
that our ruling class, authority figures, elected officials, esteemed educators, scientists, etc... are raping and pillaging women and children and God knows what else in their spare time

Wait---I'll try to put my blinders back on...

Nope
Can't do it

As for Israel 
I think it's time the Israeli people realize their government is highly corrupted and compromised 
Just like the US government is

How much longer do you expect we'll all survive by subjegating ourselves to a bunch of psychopaths who really don't gaf about our well-being

[CriticalStinker]

You are off on a historical tangent... and Im just trying to get through the day...

It would not be wise for our nominal "peer" threats to test Uncle Sam right now...

Historical tangent?

Brother, we just started another war. My comment was about the justification, region, and country we’re fighting.

Believe it or not, it’s a point of contention for some. So responses may exceed one paragraph.

[putnam6]

I'm sorry that I can't look past the elephant in the room...
that our ruling class, authority figures, elected officials, esteemed educators, scientists, etc... are raping and pillaging women and children and God knows what else in their spare time

Wait---I'll try to put my blinders back on...

Nope
Can't do it

As for Israel 
I think it's time the Israeli people realize their government is highly corrupted and compromised 
Just like the US government is

How much longer do you expect we'll all survive by subjugating ourselves to a bunch of psychopaths who really don't gaf about our well-being?

Yeah, man, I don't feel subjugated at all, never have. I own my successes and failures

The only time I felt semi-subjugated by our own government was during the COVID lockdowns and the vaccine mandates.

Id really like to know how you are personally being subjugated?

subjugate
verb
sub·​ju·​gate ˈsəb-ji-ˌgāt
subjugated; subjugating
Synonyms of subjugate
transitive verb

1
: to bring under control and governance as a subject : CONQUER
2
: to make submissive : SUBDUE
subjugation ˌsəb-ji-ˈgā-shən noun
subjugator ˈsəb-ji-ˌgā-tər noun

[putnam6]

Historical tangent?

Brother, we just started another war. My comment was about the justification, region, and country we’re fighting.

Believe it or not, it’s a point of contention for some. So responses may exceed one paragraph.

Everything in red is a historical reference...

You are off on a tangent, what ifs, and what could be based on your interpretation of history

I'm interested in what's happening currently, because Im uncertain as hell, but it's still going better than I thought it would be, a lot better. It's not perfect, but it could be a lot worse

How many countries have we fought there that we used to support?

We started the Iranian nuclear program giving them their first research reactor along with fissile material.

Our policy is always short sighted and comes back to bite us.

What interest do we have left there? Oil, we got plenty of that.

Here soon the number one federal cost is going to be interest payments. America has known that people in Iran say death to America for decades. Yet no one talked about Iran even a year ago during the election. There are threats around the globe, and right now people would have us think Iran was the most pressing one. That’s absolute bullshit. They’ve been trying to get this war since Iraq and even normies could see through it.

Israel got their wish, that’s what this all boils down to. And I’m sure in a few decades we’ll have problems with Iran again because we decided to teach the youth why the older generation hated us so much. The cycle will continue, and the young people here will pay the interest on the loans while the generation who decided this is gone.

We truly never learn our lessons. And we’ll have used our most advanced bombs and interceptors which we can’t replenish on Iran. That leaves us vulnerable to real peer threats.

edit: this is some fringe position, it’s literally what Trump campaigned and won on.

[cherokeetroy]

Id really like to know how you are personally being subjugated?

I'm not going to get into that
it a subject for a different thread

But I will say that this attitude some people have about wanting to drop the Epstein discussion
Reminds me of how dysfunctional families keep their skeletons in the closet

We don't ask about the bruises on little Johnny's arms
We don't talk about mommy's collection of pill bottles in her dresser drawer
We don't notice when daddy sneaks into little Susie's room in the middle of the night 

Stop talking about Epstein!

This is how generational patterns of dysfunction and abuse become normalized and continue on over decades and centuries

[putnam6]

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Channel 12 from senior official-
“We’re expecting to see a drop in launches soon as a result of military action”

[CriticalStinker]

Everything in red is a historical reference...

You are off on a tangent, what ifs, and what could be based on your interpretation of history

I'm interested in what's happening currently, because Im uncertain as hell, but it's still going better than I thought it would be, a lot better. It's not perfect, but it could be a lot worse

History is relevant. A lot of things that happen now are because of things that happened before. You’re welcome to pretend everything is a microcosm in the here and now. You can also pretend that everything we’ve done in the Middle East hasn’t blown up in our face and tempt fate. That’s you’re right.

interest payments being the number one expenditure isn’t a what if, it’s a mathematical consequence. That is going to happen unless we decrease debt, which no one is even attempting at the moment.