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Trump says he bombed Iran
(06-26-2025, 08:46 AM)andy06shake Wrote: That's exactly what it is.

As to not sharing the intel with Congress, again, it speaks volumes.

The People in Congress have been briefed.  Biggrin
And the ones briefed have also been lying  Biggrin
Lol  It's Büéllër Time  Lol
 
(06-26-2025, 11:21 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: Did you see the TV news conference?

The leaked document was a classified initial assessment for restrike on the target.  It said it had 'low credibility'.  And it has been superseded by intel and battlefield assessments from four sources (USA, Israel, Iran, UN) stating that the strike did severe damage or destruction.



I don’t think anyone is disputing damage has been done.

I think people are wondering if the sites were indeed completely destroyed, along with any fissile material.

None of us here can say one way or the other.
for perspective....

Syria was not close to developing a nuclear weapon. The Al-Kibar facility, destroyed in 2007, represented its most significant nuclear effort, but it was far from operational, and Syria lacked the broader infrastructure needed for weaponization. The Israeli strike, combined with international pressure, the civil war, and the fall of the Assad regime, effectively eliminated any near-term nuclear threat. Ongoing IAEA inspections as of 2025 aim to clarify Syria’s nuclear history, but current evidence suggests no active program exists.
Quote:Syria’s pursuit of a nuclear weapon was never close to fruition, primarily due to the destruction of the Al-Kibar facility in 2007, which significantly disrupted any potential nuclear ambitions. Below is an overview based on available information:
Key Points on Syria’s Nuclear Program
  • Al-Kibar Facility (Deir ez-Zor, 2007):
    • The Al-Kibar site, bombed by Israel on September 6, 2007, in Operation Outside the Box, was suspected to be a gas-cooled, graphite-moderated nuclear reactor under construction, resembling North Korea’s Yongbyon reactor. It was allegedly capable of producing enough plutonium for one or two nuclear weapons per year if completed.
    • U.S. intelligence assessed with high confidence that the facility was a nuclear reactor, with medium confidence that North Korea assisted in its construction, and lower confidence that it was intended for a nuclear weapons program.
    • IAEA inspections in 2008 found traces of chemically processed natural uranium particles at the site, suggesting nuclear activity, but Syria’s concealment efforts (bulldozing the site and building over it) limited further verification.
  • Historical Context:
    • Syria has been a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) since 1969, committing to forgo nuclear weapons, and signed an IAEA safeguards agreement in 1992. However, it pursued a clandestine nuclear program, likely with North Korean assistance, violating these commitments.
    • Reports suggest Syria collaborated with North Korea for over a decade, with the Al-Kibar reactor being a key project. The facility was not yet operational at the time of its destruction, meaning Syria was not close to producing weapons-grade plutonium.
  • Other Nuclear Activities:
    • In 2011, UN investigators identified a site in Hasakah with design similarities to a uranium enrichment facility linked to A.Q. Khan’s network, suggesting possible intent to develop uranium-based nuclear capabilities. However, there’s no evidence this site progressed toward operational status.
    • Syria possesses a Chinese-supplied research reactor under IAEA safeguards, containing less than 1 kg of highly enriched uranium, insufficient for weapons development.
    • IAEA reports in 2008–2010 noted Syria’s noncompliance, including unreported uranium conversion experiments in Damascus, but these were small-scale and not indicative of an imminent weapons capability.
  • Obstacles to Nuclear Weapon Development:
    • The Al-Kibar reactor, if completed, would have required additional infrastructure (e.g., a reprocessing plant) to produce weapons-grade plutonium, which Syria lacked.
    • Syria’s nuclear program was disrupted before it could achieve significant progress, and there’s no evidence of a reconstituted effort post-2007.
    • The Syrian Civil War (2011–2024) further hampered any nuclear ambitions, as resources were diverted, and IAEA verification activities were suspended from 2013 until 2025.
  • Strategic Motivations:
    • Syria’s interest in nuclear weapons was likely driven by regional rivalries, particularly with Israel, which is believed to possess a nuclear arsenal. A nuclear weapon could have provided strategic parity and deterrence.
    • However, Syria’s chemical weapons program was more advanced and served as its primary deterrent against Israel, reducing reliance on nuclear development.
  • Current Status (2025):
    • As of June 2025, there is no indication that Syria has an active nuclear weapons program. The fall of the Assad regime in December 2024 and subsequent Israeli strikes on strategic weapons stockpiles further diminished Syria’s capacity to pursue such programs.
    • On June 4, 2025, Syria pledged full access to IAEA inspectors for former nuclear sites, suggesting a move toward transparency, though verification is ongoing.
How Close Was Syria to a Nuclear Weapon?
  • Not Imminent: The Al-Kibar reactor was not operational when destroyed in 2007, and Syria lacked the additional infrastructure (e.g., reprocessing facilities) needed to produce weapons-grade material. Even if the reactor had become operational by late 2007, as Israeli intelligence predicted, it would have taken years to produce and weaponize enough plutonium for a single bomb.
  • Significant Setback: The Israeli airstrike effectively halted Syria’s nuclear program. Subsequent IAEA investigations found evidence of nuclear activity but no proof of a fully developed weapons program. Syria’s lack of cooperation and the civil war further stalled any progress.
  • Speculative Capabilities: While there was intent and some infrastructure (Al-Kibar, possible Hasakah site), Syria was likely decades away from a functional nuclear weapon due to technical, financial, and political constraints.
Counterpoints and Uncertainties
  • Some sources, including Syria’s government, deny the Al-Kibar site was a nuclear reactor, claiming it was a military facility. However, IAEA findings of uranium particles and U.S. intelligence assessments contradict this.
  • A post on X claims Syria never pursued nuclear weapons, but this is inconsistent with IAEA and U.S. intelligence findings. Such claims lack supporting evidence and should be treated as inconclusive.
  • Speculation about a 2024 Israeli strike in Tartus involving a nuclear weapon was debunked, with no evidence of nuclear use and the explosion attributed to conventional munitions.
Conclusion
Syria was not close to developing a nuclear weapon. The Al-Kibar facility, destroyed in 2007, represented its most significant nuclear effort, but it was far from operational, and Syria lacked the broader infrastructure needed for weaponization. The Israeli strike, combined with international pressure, the civil war, and the fall of the Assad regime, effectively eliminated any near-term nuclear threat. Ongoing IAEA inspections as of 2025 aim to clarify Syria’s nuclear history, but current evidence suggests no active program exists.
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(06-26-2025, 08:49 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: Incorrect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_WjAa_zJss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajf6CQWZF2g

Iran Says Nuclear Sites Badly Damaged


NY Post - Irans Foreign Ministry Admits Nuclear Sites Badly Damaged

And we can safely know for sure whatever Iran "admits" to is only a fraction.
With them saying it's badly damaged is actually a guarantee the damage is 1000 times worse  Biggrin
Lol  It's Büéllër Time  Lol
 
(06-26-2025, 08:59 AM)quintessentone Wrote: He and the rest of us are clear, we need independent evidence, got any?

Russia is investigating. Their report will be the reality!!  Lol
Lol  It's Büéllër Time  Lol
 
(06-26-2025, 11:24 AM)CriticalStinker Wrote: I don’t think anyone is disputing damage has been done.

I think people are wondering if the sites were indeed completely destroyed, along with any fissile material.

None of us here can say one way or the other.


That's it, really.  Not much more to say.

Let's hope the Iranian people rise up against the Mad Mullahs.
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope.  Nothing...
As they should. Yet, so far this administrations historic leakers have gone unpunished.
Quote:xuenchen
They will after the soon to be Indictme nts of the latest leak set 
(06-26-2025, 09:11 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Trump is quoting intel from his four sources, while he previously rejected intel from all his sources, which was also verified by foreign sources. He picks and choose what Intel to believe according to what he feels that day or what Netanyahu tells him to think.


Man you really fell hard for the strategy decoys, and you're not seeing it  Lol

The 2 decoy B-2's and a few others were just part of the whole decoy pheasant flush operation.  Lol

Wait till you find out who the leakers are!!
Lol  It's Büéllër Time  Lol
 
(06-26-2025, 11:24 AM)xuenchen Wrote: The People in Congress have been briefed.  Biggrin
And the ones briefed have also been lying  Biggrin

Well, that's convenient.

Still not seeing anyone but Trump claim the targets were completely obliterated.

And that's not what the satellite imagery indicates. 

I'm seeing words like destroyed and severely damaged, but not obliteration.

And I'm also not seeing any kind of reports of radiological signatures being detected in the area. 

Meaning the 60% enriched Uranium may well have been removed from the site by that big line of trucks that was sitting outside for some reason or another.

[Image: trucks.jpg]
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
(06-26-2025, 11:37 AM)andy06shake Wrote: double my bad
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."



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