Trump says he bombed Iran

[SteamyAmerican]

This war is far from over. Rumblings abound and tea leaves easily read, enjoy your 250th this weekend America. We’re about to go down an all too familiar road leading into fall.

Makes me sad. Bummed Trump can’t read the room for his ego, but Gratz on grift.

As far as placing blame, not really sure. Maybe it’s just in our nature as much as we love to claim our love of freedom, the same DNA says we are just the most war-faring nation in modern times. Good, bad, and ugly. Sucks because it just doesn’t have to be so.

In lockstep with “our greatest ally”, we’re about to take the whole world on a trip as dark as the boat in that tunnel in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. And no amount of soul-searching or protesting will stop it. 

Long Live the Republic….

[CriticalStinker]

I’d love to read a substantive case for that position. Unfortunately, your post doesn’t make one.
 

That's a fair point, I didn't show my math on why I believe that, so I'll do that now.

The final agreement for ending the conflict has not been signed. What has been agreed to is a memorandum of understanding, which gives both sides a 60 day ceasefire to negotiate and agree to the final terms. Some of those terms are not even being adhered to right now. For instance, Israel did not sign the MoU, but some of the conditions are related to them like the conflict in Lebanon. Hostilities still continue in Lebanon and Israel still occupies the southern portion of it. Israel has made it very clear that they have not signed the MoU, nor do they feel bound by it. That also doesn't ignore that Hezbollah has not signed the agreement and has also added to provocation in that conflict. 

As for the MSM, I don't personally consume it outside of exposure to it being quoted in general conversations or reference from other independent outlets/journalists who I do trust talking on it.

But alas, even if you do have sources you trust, they are at the mercy of the many parties in this conflict, who I think many can agree cannot be trusted at this stage of the conflict. All parties have proven to be unreliable either through malice or just being wrong many times. 

I think my position that this war isn't over would be more of a stretch if all sides are able to successfully negotiate the framework for an official end and sign said agreement. But we're not there yet.

[David64]

I quit posting because of all the antisemitism, personally.

It kinda ooked me out and made me uncomfortable to be associated with some folks.

I quit posting because of the American Hating Left Wing circle jerk that's going on. Funny how the Europeans that came for the World Cup are singing our praises because they are actually experiencing America, rather than sit back and let the media dictate their views. But then again, I expect nothing more from certain ones here.

[quintessentone]

I quit posting because of the American Hating Left Wing circle jerk that's going on. Funny how the Europeans that came for the World Cup are singing our praises because they are actually experiencing America, rather than sit back and let the media dictate their views. But then again, I expect nothing more from certain ones here.

That is because they are experiencing 'the people' and not the corrupt Epstein class politicians. The people do not run America and have no say in the matter.

[CriticalStinker]

I quit posting because of the American Hating Left Wing circle jerk that's going on. Funny how the Europeans that came for the World Cup are singing our praises because they are actually experiencing America, rather than sit back and let the media dictate their views. But then again, I expect nothing more from certain ones here.

Anything critical of our current policy = hates America.

It's odd that 50% of the time, certain partisans are allowed to say America is dead, ruined. They can say other admins tried to kill America. That's fine, some would say patriotic. But when the other party comes into power incurring the same or more levels of debt, spending while starting new wars, if you disagree, you must hate America.

We need to determine a baseline on how to judge the success or correct direction of our country. That needs to be done based off of policy, not who is doing it.

Do we need to reduce debt and spending? If most people answer yes, than we all agree if that's not happening it's bad.

It's a simple concept, but the partisans on both sides will defend their party while they're engaging in such behavior, and then proclaim the other side is destroying our nation when they do it.

That's just madness, and there's no way we can actually accomplish anything if people are being dishonest.

[David64]

[quintessentone]

*Snipped 

In the vein of recognizing truth, when other world countries get fk'd because of one country's ego-driven problematic Epstein-class and pedophile protector leader and they become a consensus in that truth, as well as many American people, then the TDS and Israel First agenda will be found in your mirror.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

I quit posting because of the American Trump Hating Left Wing circle jerk that's going on. Funny how the Europeans that came for the World Cup are singing our praises because they are actually experiencing America, rather than sit back and let the media dictate their views. But then again, I expect nothing more from certain ones here.

Well, the only mention Trump gets at The World Cup is for him to immediately deport the Brazilian ref that gave Flo Balogun an unfair red card and threaten FIFA with invasion to overturn it.  And then we laugh with the world visitors that we mutually consider our president the type to do something like that. 

So while we are changing their minds in droves by experiencing our country, its largely happening from the 60% of Americans doing damage control and reminding everyone that THE USA IS NOT DONALD TRUMP..

If anything it breaks the foreign bias or illusion that The USA is represented by Trump's political opinion. 

Its going out of its way to present an apolitical experience, even with Independence Day games scheduled.

[Astyanax]

That's a fair point, I didn't show my math on why I believe that, so I'll do that now.

The final agreement for ending the conflict has not been signed.

I don't suppose it ever will be. But the end of the war is a fait accompli. Of the three principal belligerents, only Israel has any reason (or desire) to prolong the conflict. The rest of the world (Russia and its friends perhaps excluded) earnestly wishes it to end. And that (one hopes) will suffice to restrain Israel. And so, I reckon, that's that.

They'll be peace talking till kingdom come, but the war is over.

[govshill2]

WHAT!  how "true" is this?

The United States quietly urged intermediaries in the Middle East to warn Iran that Israel was planning to target senior Iranian negotiators during fragile ceasefire talks this spring, according to new reports.

According to The New York Times and The Washington Post, U.S. officials became increasingly concerned that Israel could attempt to assassinate Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi and Parliament Speaker Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf while diplomatic negotiations were underway.

Trump officials feared such an attack would collapse the negotiations and reignite fighting, prompting Washington to ask regional intermediaries to pass warnings to Tehran about the potential threat, the reports said.


US asked allies to warn Iran of possible Israeli assassination plans: report  

 

btw @Astyanax does your hairdresser have a business card?