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(03-25-2025, 01:23 PM)sahgwa Wrote: Let me spell it country simple, since folks seem to have trouble with reading.
Thus far, we have only heard of USA and Russia talking, and agreeing to even attempt a ceasefire between Ukraine and Russia, we have not heard from Ukraine, and meanwhile , energy infrastructure keeps getting hit.
Understand?
No, Ukraine agreed to an unconditional ceasefire.
Russia didn't.
Understand?
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(03-25-2025, 01:19 PM)sahgwa Wrote: So it is okay for quintessent one to insert a random drone strike done by Russia, apropos of nothing, but not okay for me to insert a random drone strike done by Ukraine, merely in response?
That is one sided!
I shudder....
And here we are , rehashing, and all pertinent points will be forgotten about, as usual.
Good job! wow.
It looks to me that Ukraine's aim is to target infrastructure and of course there will be casualties of these types of attacks, whereas Russia is specifically targeting civilians in their homes, there is a big difference.
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(03-25-2025, 01:27 PM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: No, Ukraine agreed to an unconditional ceasefire.
Russia didn't.
Understand?
This is great news to me! Can you show me where and when this was said?
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(03-25-2025, 01:27 PM)sahgwa Wrote: This is great news to me! Can you show me where and when this was said?
Sure:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/3/18...utin-talks
Russia refused.
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(03-25-2025, 01:40 PM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: Sure:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/3/18...utin-talks
Russia refused.
I am seeing reports that Zelensky now agrees to a 'limited' ceasefire...who wants peace again?
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(03-25-2025, 01:45 PM)quintessentone Wrote: I am seeing reports that Zelensky now agrees to a 'limited' ceasefire...who wants peace again?
Not Russia.
Even as a condition to a Black Sea ceasefire (and where is what's left of their Black Sea fleet right now?) Putin wants banking sanctions etc lifted.
He's playing Trump like a fiddle whilst laughing at him!
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(03-25-2025, 01:51 PM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: Not Russia.
Even as a condition to a Black Sea ceasefire (and where is what's left of their Black Sea fleet right now?) Putin wants banking sanctions etc lifted.
He's playing Trump like a fiddle whilst laughing at him!
It appears to me that Putin and Trump may be looking at these negotiations as a game because let's face it, these elitist power hungry leaders don't have friends or family in the cross-hairs. On the other hand, Zelensky cares about his people and the sovereignty of their land, so he is coming from a different position, a different place.
It may well be that Zelensky will be the one to give up the most for peace.
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(03-25-2025, 01:57 PM)quintessentone Wrote: It appears to me that Putin and Trump may be looking at these negotiations as a game because let's face it, these elitist power hungry leaders don't have friends or family in the cross-hairs. On the other hand, Zelensky cares about his people and the sovereignty of their land, so he is coming from a different position, a different place.
It may well be that Zelensky will be the one to give up the most for peace.
Putin seems to want all that he wants whilst demanding stuff and not willing to concede anything.
I'm waiting for the King of the Art of the Deal to play his winning cards.
He does have them, doesn't he?
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(03-25-2025, 02:20 PM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: Putin seems to want all that he wants whilst demanding stuff and not willing to concede anything.
I'm waiting for the King of the Art of the Deal to play his winning cards.
He does have them, doesn't he?
One always has to wonder....
or doesn't that make "wonder" part of their "game?" 
"It's good to control the media!" - Somebody, somewhere must have said that!
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(03-25-2025, 02:37 PM)Maxmars Wrote: One always has to wonder....
or doesn't that make "wonder" part of their "game?"
"It's good to control the media!" - Somebody, somewhere must have said that!
Yes. But when the media has actual direct sources?
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