Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war

[putnam6]

I’m not going to defend Trump. I’m not maga. Barking up wrong tree.

i’m libertaian. he’s got his faults. Left (not saying you, talking media etc) lies about almost everything concerning Trump, your list  1. It’s not pertinent to this conversation and 2. I can’t believe it (sources, again not you). If you believe those sources cool. I just don’t. 

i’m happy he’s giving some libertarian wishes a nod. More than any other president. I had a little hope for Obama when he was talking about signing statements etc, but he felt like a rat so I voted libertarian (Johnson?). Glad I did. Obama reneged on that and everything else he said that I liked in his platform. I actually liked Obama more than Chase Oliver (2024 Libertarian candidate), lol.

i’ll agree trump is doing things I don’t like to, but again not pertinent to this conversation happy to agree with you in those conversations. Catch me in a 2A thread.

 

Every President since I was paying attention from Nixon did things that made me go WTH? you take the good with the bad and hope they don't screw with the economy, and get us into a war. It's only the extreme 10-15% left and right that pretend thier way is the only way.

When the truth is America was always about compromises.

So America could have a population from diverse regions, backgrounds, and later cultures live peacefully under the umbrella of freedom and democracy.

Sure it gets skewed and warped based on who is running things the difference is when Warren G Harding is grifting and corrupt only DC and a few newspapers know the story even then well after the fact. The general public was mostly blissfully ignorant 

Now everybody knows instantaneously the DNC, RNC, and Trumpers  Progressives retreat behind thier established frontlines and clash fervently, loudly, and incessantly.

[FlyersFan]

Fact: most Brits think the White House slanging match was a disgrace

Fact:  most Americans don't care what the Brits think of it.

Just like  most Brits don't care what Americans think of their monarchy.

[FlyersFan]

Interesting article.  

Like I said .. neither Russia nor Ukraine are the 'good guys'.
Russia invaded, so they are wrong.
But Ukraine wasn't exactly a 'stand up Western country' to begin with.

Yes Zelenskyy is a dictator

Focusing on the election issue enables Zelensky’s fans to ignore his government’s other numerous, anti-democratic outrages. But remaining in office after the expiration of his term is among the least of Zelensky’s offenses. Under his rule, the Ukrainian government has outlawed nearly a dozen opposition parties, stifled the press, launched a campaign against uncooperative churches, and has conducted a program of arbitrary imprisonment, torture, and assassination.
 
Much of that authoritarian behavior was evident even before the February 2022 Russian invasion. In Freedom House’s 2022 report, Ukraine was listed in the “partly free” category, scoring 61 points out of a possible 100. Human Rights Watch’s 2021 report on Ukraine also was far from favorable, citing various abuses by government forces, “including arbitrary detentions, torture or ill-treatment.” Journalists and media workers “faced harassment and threats connected to their reporting.”

Freedom House’s 2024 report confirmed that the record of Ukraine’s government has become even worse. The country remained in the “partly free” category, but its overall score declined to 49 from 61 in 2022. Ratings for political rights and civil liberties declined even more, with dismal scores of 21 and 28, respectively. Moreover, the tepid evaluation came from an organization that is habitually friendly to Western values and U.S.-led foreign policy goals. If the “partly free” rating is the best Ukraine could muster from an exceedingly friendly source, one can imagine what a more neutral party would conclude.

[Kwaka]

Russia invaded, so they are wrong.

That jedi mind trick works good on you to pretend that NATO has nothing to do with this. It worked goof on you with the Israel / Palestine conflict too cheering on for team meat grinder.

If you want to seriously be involved in conflict resolution, it starts by looking at both sides of the conflict.

[putnam6]

Here's another one I pulled out of my bum:

https://yougov.co.uk/international/artic...nald-trump

See this is where America diverges from the UK and Europe because you think it's a popularity contest, a beauty pageant. 

While atleast some Americans are realizing it might take an azzhole to change the paradigm and move its country to a place with a more solid disciplined foundation.




America has been off course for a while and needed accounting auditing and refurbishing.

We hoped the UK and Europe could put on their big boy knickers, panties, and thongs and be disciplined and responsible instead you are aimlessly drifting towards an Islamic Caliphate and an endless bloody war with Russia 

Respectfully most Americans disagree with your direction and wonder what types of leaders would think this is the correct path.

Nothing wrong with immigration perse America was built on it voluntarily or otherwise but it has to be controlled measured and tightly regulated you can let every Tom, Dick, and Achmed into your country and let them have freedoms and financial assistance all the while many don't assimilate with the rest

genuinely hope both the UK and Europe get thier shit together, America's is trying to do the same....it was well past time. 

this is becoming normalized ...its seems

https://x.com/Basil_TGMD/status/1860353213737701793

 

[quintessentone]

Simulators and talks about nuclear protection do not equal continued procurement of F-16s in numbers that will make a difference

Well aware the first shipments were approved and will likely go through, but if they can't get continual support, parts, and pilots they will become problematic. Thats all by design BTW. Hell one country had a couple of old F-16 airframes and they had to get approval from the Biden administration.

But that was a different administration and at that time we were looking at a drawn-out war ahead now we are moving toward peace talks. 

On top of if the EU's want their F-35s they might have to do as OMB wants for the near term and that remains to be seen

The only way moving forward with peace talks directly with Putin is a show of strength in military capabilities and perhaps continuing to take Putin's economy down to levels that he can not withstand.

Turkiye and Sweden are prepared to put 'peacekeeping' boots on the ground today, if necessary.

France is now providing Ukraine with vital intelligence against Putin.

[FlyersFan]

That jedi mind trick works good on you to pretend that NATO has nothing to do with this. It worked goof on you with the Israel / Palestine conflict too cheering on for team meat grinder.

If you want to seriously be involved in conflict resolution, it starts by looking at both sides of the conflict.

Try again.

You didn't look at the article I posted, did ya'?  Nope.

Russia was wrong for invading.   But it also gives the information about what Ukraine did wrong.  How Zelenskyy was poking the (Russian) bear.    

As I said.  BOTH Russia and Ukraine are not the good guys.   Russia shouldn't have invaded.   Putin used Zelenskyys behavior as an excuse for his expansionistic ideals.   But Zelenskyy isn't without fault too.

Do yourself a favor next time ... read the article I posted before commenting.

[FlyersFan]

We hoped the UK and Europe could put on their big boy knickers, panties, and thongs and be disciplined and responsible instead you are aimlessly drifting towards an Islamic Caliphate and an endless bloody war with Russia 

EXCELLENT ... except you forgot to add .... 'an endless bloody war with Russia THAT THEY WANT THE UNITED STATES TO PAY FOR TO KEEP THEM SAFE.'

[putnam6]

EXCELLENT ... except you forgot to add .... 'an endless bloody war with Russia THAT THEY WANT THE UNITED STATES TO PAY FOR TO KEEP THEM SAFE.'

Exactly 

and if we refuse we are all Putin's communist nuthuggers... It's ridiculous and completely unhinged

[quintessentone]

Exactly 

and if we refuse we are all Putin's communist nuthuggers... It's ridiculous and completely unhinged

Didn't Trump just make a trade deal with Putin for aluminum? What is ridiculous and completely unhinged is ignoring the obvious.