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03-05-2025, 09:06 AM
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(03-05-2025, 09:03 AM)putnam6 Wrote: From my earlier quote... Google Can Europe transfer F-16s without American consent
Hell, they had to wait for Biden to approve the first shipments...
Im rarely 100% SURE,
but so far all evidence points to they can't acquire F-16s without US approval. If have something to the contrary include a link
If they can plan to "share" nuclear weapons isn't it reasonable to assume they can do whatever they want?
https://financialpost.com/pmn/macron-to-...e-strategy
https://armyrecognition.com/news/aerospa...ne-in-2025
Still no mention of the U.S. having any say in the matter.
Edit to add:
https://defence-blog.com/canada-sends-f-...o-ukraine/
I would not be surprised if Ukrainian fighter pilots haven't already started F16 flight simulator training or soon will.
AND!
Let's not forget that the Turkish Army is chomping at the bit to fight in this war...ready and able.
Isn't it time Trump and Putin started talking serious long term peace measures?
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(03-05-2025, 09:06 AM)quintessentone Wrote: If they can plan to "share" nuclear weapons isn't it reasonable to assume they can do whatever they want?
https://financialpost.com/pmn/macron-to-...e-strategy
https://armyrecognition.com/news/aerospa...ne-in-2025
Still no mention of the U.S. having any say in the matter.
Edit to add:
https://defence-blog.com/canada-sends-f-...o-ukraine/
I would not be surprised if Ukrainian fighter pilots haven't already started F16 flight simulator training or soon will.
AND!
Let's not forget that the Turkish Army is chomping at the bit to fight in this war...ready and able.
Isn't it time Trump and Putin started talking serious long term peace measures? Simulators and talks about nuclear protection do not equal continued procurement of F-16s in numbers that will make a difference
Well aware the first shipments were approved and will likely go through, but if they can't get continual support, parts, and pilots they will become problematic. Thats all by design BTW. Hell one country had a couple of old F-16 airframes and they had to get approval from the Biden administration.
But that was a different administration and at that time we were looking at a drawn-out war ahead now we are moving toward peace talks.
On top of if the EU's want their F-35s they might have to do as OMB wants for the near term and that remains to be seen
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03-05-2025, 10:04 AM
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case in point...
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CIA Director John Ratcliffe stated earlier today that the United States has paused intelligence support to Ukraine, following last week’s heated-exchange in the Oval Office between U.S. President Trump and Ukrainian President Zelensky. A senior U.S. defense official stated that the military has already begun to cut back on Intelligence, Surveillance, Target Acquisition, and Reconnaissance (ISTAR) flights near Ukraine, while telling allies to not share U.S. shared-intelligence with Ukraine, which is likely to effect both offensive and defensive operations by the Ukrainian military, including the air-defense of Kyiv and other cities. A Ukrainian official has denied that intelligence support has been cut, stating that they are still receiving U.S. intelligence.
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The German Ministry Of Defence- Germany has reached its limit in supplying Ukraine with additional weapons from its current stockpiles.
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Hope they "win" but Im so glad the US isn't part of this anymore
Just more pain for Ukraine, its going to get brutal before it gets better
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BREAKING: Zelensky has changed his mind again and announced that he would not negotiate with Russia. Zelensky does not want to discuss anything with Russians and make any concessions. He wants to continue the war.
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(03-05-2025, 02:19 PM)putnam6 Wrote: Hope they "win" but Im so glad the US isn't part of this anymore
Just more pain for Ukraine, its going to get brutal before it gets better
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BREAKING: Zelensky has changed his mind again and announced that he would not negotiate with Russia. Zelensky does not want to discuss anything with Russians and make any concessions. He wants to continue the war.
Where does it say that?
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope. Nothing...
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03-05-2025, 02:56 PM
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(03-05-2025, 02:25 PM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: Where does it say that?
How do you say you didn't watch or understand the video without saying you didn't watch or understand the video?
here's the other view for perspective and all...
https://x.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status/189...1455456263
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“We love you Mr President” Huge Chants of - “We love Trump, We love Trump, we live Trump” Forget standing with Ukraine - The British people stand with Donald Trump & America all day long
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03-05-2025, 03:41 PM
This post was last modified: 03-05-2025, 03:47 PM by Oldcarpy2. 
(03-05-2025, 02:56 PM)putnam6 Wrote: How do you say you didn't watch or understand the video without saying you didn't watch or understand the video?
here's the other view for perspective and all...
https://x.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status/189...1455456263
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“We love you Mr President” Huge Chants of - “We love Trump, We love Trump, we live Trump” Forget standing with Ukraine - The British people stand with Donald Trump & America all day long My goodness.
Here a UK poll of Trump's popularity about Ukraine:
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/sur...04/bd0fa/2
This is just delusional ? ? ?
65% of Brits say Trump is doing "very badly".
That video is from 2018.
FFS?
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope. Nothing...
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03-05-2025, 04:49 PM
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(03-05-2025, 03:41 PM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: My goodness.
Here a UK poll of Trump's popularity about Ukraine:
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/sur...04/bd0fa/2
This is just delusional ? ? ?
65% of Brits say Trump is doing "very badly".
That video is from 2018.
A poll FFS?
You pull a poll out of your bum thats from YouGov surveyed 5000 people and pretend it represents the attitudes of 67 million people and
I'm delusional
are we supposed to believe the massive 100,000 plus pro-Trumpers in 2018 have all flip-flopped thier opinions, no wonder you love Zelensky
Regardless sounds as if the EU/UK has enough countries and Zelensky and Starmer are willing to continue running the meat grinder in eastern Ukraine for the moment.
only time will tell if Ukraine gets its land back and how many lives it will cost in the effort
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Here's a couple of other YouGov polls, FFS indeed
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03-05-2025, 05:01 PM
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(03-05-2025, 04:49 PM)putnam6 Wrote: [Image: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GlQPpYNXcAAH...ame=medium]
Only 20% of the respondents in that poll identify as Democrats.
https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/do...250304.pdf
How to lie with statistics.... nice one CBS. Weighing R: D at 5:2. Sheesh.
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