Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war

[putnam6]

Macron rowed the boat ashore...
Hallelujah 
U.S. says why wasn't this done before ...
Hallelujah



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Macron: The European Union may provide Ukraine with hundreds of billions of Euros in financing at the summit on March 6.

[quintessentone]

Macron rowed the boat ashore...
Hallelujah 
U.S. says why wasn't done this before ...
Hallelujah


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Macron: The European Union may provide Ukraine with hundreds of billions of Euros in financing at the summit on March 6.

I want to all this talk put into action. The EU, Ukraine and others have to also include the Baltic countries, they have a vested interest in the region's security as well.

So, I'm not understanding the territorial ownership with the rare earth minerals agreement. Does Ukraine and the U.S. just take over Putin's occupied territories? Or is it a side deal with Putin and Trump, that Putin will get a cut of the spoils?

[putnam6]

I'm watching the Russian podcaster who says that Russia needs to change and not be appeased, and all international criminals within that regime need to be prosecuted. (I'm stuck indoors today nursing symptoms of who knows what kind of virus.)

He also warns us to expect Putin's propaganda waves so as to brainwash the Russian people and try to bring in foreign investment.

Hey, we do have something in common with Russia after all...

[putnam6]

I want to all this talk put into action. The EU, Ukraine and others have to also include the Baltic countries, they have a vested interest in the region's security as well.

Imagine if they started 3-4 years ago... or just 5-10 years ago might have made a huge difference in today's balance of power

[quintessentone]

Imagine if they started 3-4 years ago... or just 5-10 years ago might have made a huge difference in today's balance of power

True, and I must commend Trump for lighting a fire under them. Imagine that this war would never have started with the balance of power extended to those countries surrounding Iran, which Putin wants to 'free'.

[putnam6]

True, and I must commend Trump for lighting a fire under them. Imagine that this war would never have started with the balance of power extended to those countries surrounding Iran, which Putin wants to 'free'.

Yeah and it would have never started with Trump as President is abundantly clear however

it seems Macron still needs some hand-holding and no Ukraine is not part of our manifest destiny. 

If Obama thinks Russia is just a gas station doesn't that make Ukraine, a rare earth minerals store? 

Hope you feel better...flu bug has been going around here big time.


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Macron: I want Americans to understand that disengaging from Ukraine is not in their interest. Abandoning Ukraine without security guarantees would weaken deterrence against Russia, China, and others. America’s manifest destiny is to be on the side of the Ukrainians—I have no doubt about that.

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What was it the previous four years? That was apex fear mongeging, wasn't it? Our memory is not that short.

It was four years of the once fringe NWO boogeyman conspiracy going mainstream through meme and anger. It was a lot of a lot of normalized hyperbole of what was already nonsense. In its wackiest you had Satanic pedo celebrities abducting children for brain chemicals and slavery.

I think Oprah's still too busy paying off paparazzi to not publicize pictures of her and her not wife. Just troll with precision or not at all.

They didn't even get the most likely Hollywood religion right.

But there are pages and pages of the counter neurosis. But it wasn't considered neurosis, it was somehow considered an awakening. On point and enlightened. Yet it is a really paranoid awakening.

And they both share a commonality. An oppressor of clandestine and deceptive purposes. They will cancel each-other out eventually, but getting there is really freaking annoying.

But I read the European comments, the UK ones, and I think a majority may live in a subjective media bubble that is unable to recognize things from the outside perspective. Or are so programed to view that outside perspective as invalid.

I think you can do math with this mirror effect.

Question - Chat GPT, Write a math equation that incorporates a statistical balance achieved surrounding the New World Order. Where the conservative fear of liberals letting it taking over is balanced by the liberal fear of conservative trying to destroy it.

Creating a mathematical equation that metaphorically represents the balance of fears between conservatives and liberals regarding a concept like the New World Order can be an interesting thought experiment. Let's use variables to represent each group's fear and the overall balance.

Let:
- \( C \) = the fear of conservatives that liberals will let the New World Order take over
- \( L \) = the fear of liberals that conservatives will attempt to destroy the New World Order
- \( B \) = a balanced state of fear

We can express the balance mathematically as:

\[ B = C + L \]

In a more nuanced version, we can consider that each group's fear also influences the other’s perspective. Therefore, we may adjust the equation to show that the fears are not equal but rather are weighted or dependent on each group's influence:

\[ B = kC + mL \]

Where \( k \) and \( m \) are coefficients representing the weight or intensity of each group's fear.

For a balanced perspective, one could set \( B \) at a stable point, such as zero (indicating a stable balance), leading to:

\[ 0 = kC + mL \]

This signifies that the fear from both sides is equal and opposite, achieving a state of equilibrium regarding their concerns over the New World Order.

This equation can serve to illustrate the conceptual balance between the two competing fears in socio-political discourse.

And I can't make that apply to the topic. Forget what thread I was posting this in.

[putnam6]

What was it the previous four years? That was apex fear mongeging, wasn't it? Our memory is not that short.

It was four years of the once fringe NWO boogeyman conspiracy going mainstream through meme and anger. It was a lot of a lot of normalized hyperbole of what was already nonsense. In its wackiest you had Satanic pedo celebrities abducting children for brain chemicals and slavery.

I think Oprah's still too busy paying off paparazzi to not publicize pictures of her and her not wife. Just troll with precision or not at all.

They didn't even get the most likely Hollywood religion right.

But there are pages and pages of the counter neurosis. But it wasn't considered neurosis, it was somehow considered an awakening. On point and enlightened. Yet it is a really paranoid awakening.

And they both share a commonality. An oppressor of clandestine and deceptive purposes. They will cancel each-other out eventually, but getting there is really freaking annoying.

But I read the European comments, the UK ones, and I think a majority may live in a subjective media bubble that is unable to recognize things from the outside perspective. Or are so programed to view that outside perspective as invalid.

I think you can do math with this mirror effect.

Question - Chat GPT, Write a math equation that incorporates a statistical balance achieved surrounding the New World Order. Where the conservative fear of liberals letting it taking over is balanced by the liberal fear of conservative trying to destroy it.


And I can't make that apply to the topic. Forget what thread I was posting this in.

I never meant to imply you were alone in your neurosis, I fully realize most people have our neurotic moments. Mine are usually about different stuff lol but you arent alone it's all over X.com too. 

FWIW my use of the fear-mongering gif debuted a while ago on ATS we just ran in different circles. 

Good video at the link I agree with Shellenberger here... also FWIW not exactly a convert to Geoge and Klaus ruling the world,  starting every fire at chicken farms the last 7-8 years, even if they do seem to finance a shitload of US-related programs. Remember the cattle dying of the heat in Kansas I was told that was George and Klaus convincing Kansas ranchers to let thier cattle die, it was all ludicrous as hell IMHO. 

 

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Healthy relationships depend on mutual respect. Ukraine and Europe don't respect us; they look down on us. America never had any obligation to protect Ukraine. And now we're asking why we should continue to spend our money, and put our lives on the line, to protect Europe.

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He makes some good points
Victor Davis Hanson reposted

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: Trump’s Plan for ‘Lasting Peace’ in Ukraine, Russia Victor Davis Hanson’s advice for Volodymyr Zelenskyy following yesterday’s public spat in the Oval Office with President Donald Trump and Vice President JD Vance: Wear a suit, act polite, don’t interrupt, and sign the only deal, the mineral agreement, that will ensure “lasting peace” with Russia. “There's only one real issue separating Russia now from Ukraine and the United States' participation, and that is how far can you push Putin back? “Donald Trump himself said he wanted to push Putin as far back as possible. That's why this mineral agreement was so innovative. “Because most of the key deposits are along this disputed area. If you can come up with a DMZ close to, or near, where Putin started the war, and he did start the war, and have concessions where Europeans and Americans come in and have personnel on the ground and it's a prosperous, mutually advantaged concession, then you're going to have the beginning of a lasting peace. “Putin will not go in there and kill Americans or disrupt that.”

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FWIW my use of the fear-mongering gif debuted a while ago on ATS we just ran in different circles. 

Good video at the link I agree with Shellenberger here... also FWIW not exactly a convert to Geoge and Klaus ruling the world,  starting every fire at chicken farms the last 7-8 years, even if they do seem to finance a shitload of US-related programs. Remember the cattle dying of the heat in Kansas I was told that was George and Klaus convincing Kansas ranchers to let thier cattle die, it was all ludicrous as hell IMHO. 

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I'm really trying to get the rationale. And I'm really trying to hope for the best because I have no other choice. I am trying to temper the more "ludicrous" speculation, but then TSK had to go and say this...

At least two Russian defectors have claimed that Trump was cultivated as a KGB/FSB asset for decades. Whistleblower Reality Winner leaked Top Secret NSA documents proving that Russian military intelligence hacked into U.S. voting software and attempted to access voter registration systems in 2016. Something Trump and his allies continue to deny. Roger Stone collaborated with Russian hackers and WikiLeaks to smear Hillary Clinton, once again conspiring with a foreign power to manipulate an election.

Because that's mostly how I read it. Only I add in a KGB payroll for conservative American media influence. To really drive in all those DARVO devices that still get used to turn Zelenskyy into a dictator.

I agree with Zelenskyy, Trump and his most vocal cult of personality largely live in a Russian misinformation universe.

He (and his media-o-support) are not gonna DARVO that one on me. Zelenskyy will never be the aggressor. Never be deserving of the treatment he's getting and "Newscum" like rhetorical bully tactics. I dont care what the posturing ultimately is. There will never be a nuance that persuades me to reconsider.

Biden aided the country getting unfairly invaded for anti-NATO BS. I miss when it was Biden sternly trying to warn Putin about Article V.

My mind is closed to the pushed mental gymnastics required to spin that premise all to hell, against NATO (for whatever agenda promoted tax wasting excuse they try), and for Putin.

I'm truly sorry I was supporting people's tax dollars going to stopping Russia, but like Israel or even Taiwan, I felt those aid packages were strategic against our true adversaries. China, Russia, and militant Islam. It used to be our noble privilege to help prevent dictatorships like Russia from invading others like Ukraine without real provocation.

There were way blurrier lines in 2014. It was Ukraine fighting Russia backed Ukrainian separatists. This time was easier to jump in. Crimea isn't exactly Kyiv That wasn't anywhere near the case in 2022.

I really don't want to live in his (Putin's) illusory world on this.

You can call it hyperbole, me losing touch, but I feel (at the core of what drives my actions) it's bowing down to a malevolent entity/energy/will that seeks to use me for my gullibility and give me a hammer. He will tell me where the nails are and when to swing. I'm supposed to hit the Zelenskyy nail now.

I don't like this change in the house of (butter)flies. I miss Dopey Joe trying to look threatening.

To paraphrase the Nickleback of Europe, I need to rip off these wings of change... for my love and my soul...