Trump is in talks with Russia to end the war

[UltraBudgie]

I thought we were going to get out of this mess?
EU is pushing for the bullshit to continue, shouldn't the USA be better than that?

Oh come on. Don't play the naif. Of course it "should", but it isn't. Words aside, the USA acts more like an amnestic psychopath rather than a principled individual. The "peace talks" created news-cycle impressions for partisans to latch on to, and evoked reactions and pivots from other nation-players. Europe's energy infrastructure still has to be threatened a bit more (see the pipeline bombing?) to cajole them into entering the quagmire the USA has created, so they can "keep the peace" and hold Putin at bay while the economic pillaging moves to the next stage, a gentle disentanglement from the remains of the Ukrainian state.

[sahgwa]

Oh come on. Don't play the naif. Of course it "should", but it isn't. Words aside, the USA acts more like an amnestic psychopath rather than a principled individual. The "peace talks" created news-cycle impressions for partisans to latch on to, and evoked reactions and pivots from other nation-players. Europe's energy infrastructure still has to be threatened a bit more (see the pipeline bombing?) to cajole them into entering the quagmire the USA has created, so they can "keep the peace" and hold Putin at bay while the economic pillaging moves to the next stage, a gentle disentanglement from the remains of the Ukrainian state.

I know that I know that both sides are corrupt and that they are all working towards the globalist nasty end goal, but I know that the innocent part of me wants the USA to not be involved in this mess regardless.  Fantastic I know.

[Darkorange]

the best way out of it is to give poland what it wants, lviv and few more regions, to romania what it considers theirs, hungary what it wants and to russia what it wants. leave central region as ukrain and be done with this mess.
everyone is happy except for french and brits )))) they get what they deserve. hahaha))

[Oldcarpy2]

the best way out of it is to give poland what it wants, lviv and few more regions, to romania what it considers theirs, hungary what it wants and to russia what it wants. leave central region as ukrain and be done with this mess.
everyone is happy except for french and brits )))) they get what they deserve. hahaha))

Who might be able to "give" all that?

I doubt that Ukrainians would be happy with that.

[UltraBudgie]

Who might be able to "give" all that?

Oh! I know this one!

The City of London.

[Oldcarpy2]

Oh! I know this one!

The City of London.

And our King, of course.

[putnam6]

Yeah, you don't look after your most needy and vulnerable, obviously.

The unfortunate poverty-stricken people in America use SNAP to purchase 5-6 billion DOLLARS worth of Coca-Cola and Pepsi a year.

One of the many programs DOGE will be looking to make more efiicient

But yeah sending 100 plus billion to Ukraine isn't going to help the poverty situation in the US one Iota

[Oldcarpy2]

The unfortunate poverty-stricken people in America use SNAP to purchase 5-6 billion DOLLARS worth of Coca-Cola and Pepsi a year.

One of the many programs DOGE will be looking to make more efiicient

But yeah sending 100 plus billion to Ukraine isn't going to help the poverty situation in the US one Iota

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It wasn't 100 billion in cash, though?

[putnam6]

It wasn't 100 billion in cash, though?

Never said, suggested, or inferred it was cash... 

100 billion out of American taxpayers' pockets is 100 billion that could improve many Americans lot in life. 

Instead, it's given to a country at war that has no plan for ending the war, just endless military aid and other financial aid

[Oldcarpy2]

Never said, suggested, or inferred it was cash... 

100 billion out of American taxpayers' pockets is 100 billion that could improve many Americans lot in life. 

Instead, it's given to a country at war that has no plan for ending the war, just endless military aid and other financial aid

But, you are suggesting it's 100 billion out of American taxpayer's pockets, which it isn't?

No plan for ending the war? Ukraine agreed to a ceasefire.

Putin wants unacceptable conditions. He has no intention of ending his War.

He is playing Trump for the mug that he is.