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(08-21-2025, 08:38 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Some would call all the gospels bound together with all it's contradictions and as being fiction, such as the contradiction of how the women acted after visiting Jesus' tomb; Luke 24:9, Mark 16:8.

Well it's coming anyway, so I'll just mention these arguments to save some time: "Legitimacy of Apostolic succession", "Established and recognized authority", and "Centuries of scholarship".
(08-21-2025, 08:42 AM)UltraBudgie Wrote: Well it's coming anyway, so I'll just mention these arguments to save some time: "Legitimacy of Apostolic succession", "Established and recognized authority", and "Centuries of scholarship".

That's fine, you and others are free to follow along with the alleged established and recognized authority while others', such as myself, will do a deeper dive into the omissions, contradictions, and hidden agendae over the people to ensure that their power and control are forever ensured.

Now for something they name 'sacred memory'.

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"Ethiopia has some of the oldest Bible scrolls that have ever existed, even older than the famous King James Bible.Other than the 66 books that make up the King James Bible, the Ethiopic Bible has 88 books and includes some works that other churches simply do not have.
 
The book contains scrolls from the Old Testament, the New Testament, and scrolls that had never been seen before.
 
What makes this so interesting is that they had these scrolls long before Christianity first arrived in their society in the fourth century.
 
In other words, Christianity was not a religion given to them like most nations. Christianity was already present in Ethiopia. Since the fourth century, Ethiopia has been a Christian nation."

This Is Why the Ethiopian Bible Got Banned - HubPages
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"Certain Ethiopian tribes have been worshipping the Christian God for over 3500 years. Therefore, the oldest organized Christian body in the world is not the Catholic Ministry, as mainstream media has often publicized. Can you believe it? The Ethiopian Orthodox Church is locally known as "Tewahdo" in Ethiopia."

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"The Ethiopian Canon is a great way to see how the Bible has changed over time. Contrary to popular belief, the Bible isn't just one book, it's more of a collection of texts and experiences, written over many years. That's where the problem kind of lies."

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"Different religious groups, including the verified or accepted ones, have a long history of excluding or including different texts or copies based on different theological or personal grounds.For example, the Bible we know today was mostly written in the fourth and fifth centuries AD."

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"This compilation includes 88 books that are not found in the traditional canon of 66 books, which makes it a unique source on ancient tradition and theological concepts of one of the oldest Christian communities in the world."

This Is Why the Ethiopian Bible Got Banned - HubPages



"The only journey is the one within."
(08-21-2025, 08:38 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Common sense does not play any part here.
Yeah ... at least you admit it.

Gnostics, written hundreds of years after the events, and contradicting the gospels that recorded the events, are FICTION.  Made up crap.  People made up a bunch of garbage stories loosely based on the bible.  Totally worthless.     No one can learn about Christ from fictional accounts.   They are mind pollution.
(08-21-2025, 08:56 AM)quintessentone Wrote: That's fine, you and others are free to follow along with the alleged established and recognized authority

Eew! I've never been much for respecting authority based on worldly say-so. You take that back!

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(08-21-2025, 08:58 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: Yeah ... at least you admit it.

Gnostics, written hundreds of years after the events, and contradicting the gospels that recorded the events, are FICTION.  Made up crap.  People made up a bunch of garbage stories loosely based on the bible.  Totally worthless.     No one can learn about Christ from fictional accounts.   They are mind pollution.

My intent and context has flown over your head again, I see.

I admit that the modern Bible's contradictions make no sense, common or otherwise.
"The only journey is the one within."
(08-21-2025, 09:00 AM)UltraBudgie Wrote: Eew! I've never been much for respecting authority based on worldly say-so. You take that back!

Smile

Ha ha. Me either as I seem to have been born with a desire to question everything, and I mean everything.
"The only journey is the one within."
(08-21-2025, 09:00 AM)quintessentone Wrote: I admit that the modern Bible's contradictions make no sense, common or otherwise.

How about you use common sense and admit that the gnostics, which were written hundreds of years after the events, are indeed fiction just like the experts say and not of any use for learning about what Christ actually did and said on Earth.
(08-21-2025, 09:04 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: How about you use common sense and admit that the gnostics, which were written hundreds of years after the events, are indeed fiction just like the experts say and not of any use for learning about what Christ actually did and said on Earth.

Credibility is to be found from other sources as well as from the Bible, but I think the problem lies with how the stories were and still are interpreted, whether as fiction used to relay a message or as true events, which is still debated today.

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"The question of whether biblical stories are true is a complex one, sparking debate across theological and historical fields for centuries. Are the accounts literal historical records, or do they convey deeper spiritual truths independent of factual accuracy? This article explores these questions, examining different perspectives and the implications of accepting or rejecting the Bible's historical claims."

Are Biblical Stories True? A Critical Examination of Faith and History

"Archaeological Evidence and Historical AccuracyArchaeological discoveries offer some corroboration for biblical accounts, confirming the existence of certain people, places, and events. However, many narratives lack independent verification, leading to ongoing debates about their historical accuracy. The dating of events and the precision of numbers presented in the Bible are also frequent sources of contention.
 
Further complicating matters are internal complexities within the Bible itself. Different books offer different perspectives and sometimes contradictory details. The process of compiling and transmitting the biblical text over centuries also introduced the potential for textual variations and interpretations. These factors necessitate careful consideration when evaluating the historical reliability of specific biblical accounts."

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"Is the Bible infallible in all its contents?The Bible is considered a sacred text by many religions, but its historical accuracy may vary depending on the specific context and passage."

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"Are there any non-biblical sources that mention Jesus?
Yes, Roman and Jewish historians such as Tacitus, Josephus, and Pliny the Younger mention Jesus and his followers."

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Well now, I have more research to do on Tacitus, Josephus, and Pliny the Younger.
"The only journey is the one within."
(08-21-2025, 09:27 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Credibility is to be found from other sources as well as from the Bible, ...

Not from the Gnostics which were written hundreds of years after the events, which contradict the eyewitness testimony of the gospels, which are obviously fiction and are condemned by all serious scholars as bunk.

From AI Assist - Gnosticism emphasizes a secret knowledge (gnosis) for salvation, separates the material world as evil from a spiritual realm, and denies the humanity and bodily resurrection of Jesus, among other things. 

Totally contradicts the core message of Christ in the eyewitness accounts of the gospels.
(08-17-2025, 05:34 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: You cherry pick the bible.   Scripture is clear.   Reality is clear.
You can lose your salvation.  You can throw it away.  
There is no such thing as 'once saved always saved'. 
That's demonic trickery.

You can find bible quotes saying you won't lose salvation.
I can find them saying that you can and many do.
Christians throw away their faith all the time.  
It's all around us.   We see it everywhere.   
Use some common sense.

 Hebrews 6:4-6 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.

Matthew 7:21-23“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

2 Peter 2:20-22For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”

Ezekiel 18:24-26 But when a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice and does the same abominations that the wicked person does, shall he live? None of the righteous deeds that he has done shall be remembered; for the treachery of which he is guilty and the sin he has committed, for them he shall die. “Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ Hear now, O house of Israel: Is my way not just? Is it not your ways that are not just? When a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice, he shall die for it; for the injustice that he has done he shall die.

I'm not a believer of the "once saved always saved" doctrine, and in fact I often preach against is using those some passages you've quoted.. I'll re-word it to make what I intended convey clearer:

Assurance of salvation: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that salvation cannot be guaranteed or assured. In contrast, 1 John 5:13 states that the things written by John in the letter of 1 John are for the purpose of assuring those who believe in the name of the Son of God that they have eternal life (but that certainty is meant to arise from honest self-examination in light of the criteria he outlined in his letter).



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