Shots Fired at White House Correspondants Dinner

[David64]

I don't get this part, correct me if I'm wrong on any of this.

I heard some conflicting things.

1. shooter was apprehended (photo shows shooter on the floor in cuffs)
2. Shooter was shot and killed.

if 2 is correct, then they shot him after he was cuffed and on the floor.

which is it?

The suspect wasn't shot at all.
One of the Secret Service was, but it hit his vest so it may have knocked the wind out of him and he'll have some bruises, but that's all.

[andy06shake]

[andy06shake]

I don't get this part, correct me if I'm wrong on any of this.

I heard some conflicting things.

1. shooter was apprehended (photo shows shooter on the floor in cuffs)
2. Shooter was shot and killed.

if 2 is correct, then they shot him after he was cuffed and on the floor.

which is it?

He was detained by Secret Service after the attack.

Is now in custody and facing federal charges.

[quintessentone]

He was detained by Secret Service after the attack.

Is now in custody and facing federal charges.

It's always a red flag when the FBI/government don't automatically blame lefties for the shootings.

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"Cole Tomas Allen, the 31-year-old suspect arrested for the shooting at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner, authored a manifesto in which he explicitly rejected Christian teachings on non-violence, arguing that "turning the other cheek" when others are oppressed is "complicity in the oppressor's crimes." 

President Donald Trump described the document as "strongly anti-Christian," noting that Allen, a former member of the Caltech Christian Fellowship, had shifted from being a believer to holding anti-Christian views.  Key elements of the manifesto included:

• Self-Identification: Allen signed the document as the "Friendly Federal Assassin."
  
• Targets: He listed a priority list of Trump administration officials to attack, ranging from highest to lowest ranking, though he specifically excluded FBI Director Kash Patel. 
  
• Motivation: The text cited grievances regarding civilian deaths in the war against Iran, immigration crackdowns, and the Jeffrey Epstein scandal, claiming he was acting to protect those harmed by the administration. 
  
• Security Critique: Allen mocked the security at the Washington Hilton, writing that he entered with multiple weapons and that no one considered him a threat due to a "sense of arrogance." 
  

Law enforcement confirmed that Allen sent this manifesto to his family shortly before the attack, leading his relatives to notify police about his alarming views. " (LLM)

[Sarnaxx]

When you have democrats calling Trump a fascist for months, what would you expect from an unhinged democrat?

You mean similar to how Trump calls all democrats "The enemy within" ..  "We have two enemies.. the outside enemy and the enemy within".  Suggesting the military could be called in on election day to handle "radical left lunatics".  "These people, they're so sick and they're so evil"....

If you ignore the rhetoric from one side and only claim one side does it, you are nothing more than political hack.

[andy06shake]

It's always a red flag when the FBI/government don't automatically blame lefties for the shootings.

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"Cole Tomas Allen, the 31-year-old suspect arrested for the shooting at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner, authored a manifesto in which he explicitly rejected Christian teachings on non-violence, arguing that "turning the other cheek" when others are oppressed is "complicity in the oppressor's crimes." 

President Donald Trump described the document as "strongly anti-Christian," noting that Allen, a former member of the Caltech Christian Fellowship, had shifted from being a believer to holding anti-Christian views.  Key elements of the manifesto included:

• Self-Identification: Allen signed the document as the "Friendly Federal Assassin."
  
• Targets: He listed a priority list of Trump administration officials to attack, ranging from highest to lowest ranking, though he specifically excluded FBI Director Kash Patel. 
  
• Motivation: The text cited grievances regarding civilian deaths in the war against Iran, immigration crackdowns, and the Jeffrey Epstein scandal, claiming he was acting to protect those harmed by the administration. 
  
• Security Critique: Allen mocked the security at the Washington Hilton, writing that he entered with multiple weapons and that no one considered him a threat due to a "sense of arrogance." 
  

Law enforcement confirmed that Allen sent this manifesto to his family shortly before the attack, leading his relatives to notify police about his alarming views. " (LLM)

Good luck with that sense of arrogance where he's heading.

It is what it is, Quint.

Personally i agree with his grievances and complaints.

But not with his actions or intent...

[quintessentone]

Good luck with that sense of arrogance where he's heading.

It is what it is, Quint.

Personally i agree with his grievances and complaints.

But not with his actions or intent...

Isn't that arrogance also known as Christian "extreme" righteousness?

I also agree with his grievances and complaints but not his actions nor intent. I would have preferred him entering the dinner and overturning many tables, as Jesus did to the moneylenders.

[andy06shake]

I would have preferred him entering the dinner and overturning many tables, as Jesus did to the moneylenders.

Well said.

I think "Christian righteousness" is just self-righteousness with salad dressing.

Probably would have shot him on the spot if he did that all the same...

[quintessentone]

Well said.

I think "Christian righteousness" is just self-righteousness with salad dressing.

Probably would have shot him on the spot if he did that all the same...

Add in the psychology of 'a gun will solve the problem' within the USA and you have these types of situations arise.

"Psychological research indicates that many Americans turn to guns to solve problems due to fear, perceived threats to masculinity, and social norms that equate firearms with safety and status. This reliance creates a "vicious circle" where increased gun ownership raises the perception of danger, further justifying the need for more weapons rather than reducing actual risk. 
Guns as a Dominator and Status Symbol

• Illusion of Control: In close-proximity societies, people typically solve conflicts through avoidance or rules; however, a gun allows an individual to bypass these norms, feeling they can control the situation and force others to back down. 
  
• Masculinity and Identity: Firearms are often linked to masculine ideals of toughness and self-sufficiency.  Psychological archetypes reinforce the image of the warrior, making gun ownership a way to assert power and identity, particularly among adolescent males.
  
• Positive Feedback Loop: The presence of more guns increases the pressure to own them for protection, which in turn increases the danger to owners and others, fueling demand for even more weapons. 
  

The Counter-Productivity of Gun Ownership

• Increased Risk: Having a gun in the home is a major risk factor for death by homicide, accident, or suicide, contradicting the belief that guns primarily provide protection against "bad guys."
  
• Misplaced Attribution: The myth that "guns don't kill people, people do" deflects focus from the weapon's lethality. Research shows that most shootings are not premeditated but are arguments that go sideways because a firearm is readily available. 
  
• Mental Health Misconceptions: Blaming gun violence on mental illness is statistically unsupported, as the U.S. does not have higher rates of mental illness than other developed nations with lower gun violence. Instead, access to lethal means and untreated aggression are the primary drivers." (LLM)
  

[ANNEE]

But not with his actions or intent...

I can’t say I understand what his intent was. 

He made an intentional effort not to cause serious harm. 

He just couldn’t hold the rage in anymore?

He is right about people continuing to be complicit. 

I do think it interesting he specifically excluded Patel. Was he protecting himself by explicitly making it known he wasn’t targeting head of the FBI?