S4: The Bob Lazar Story

[TrueAmerican]

I saw it a couple days ago, and I thought it was good. It definitely added credibility to his story in my mind. I think it is more complete information than anything else out there, and i like how the movie approached his story from multiple angles at once. I recommend it, for sure. Pay the ten bucks. Was worth it. Graphics of the craft are real good and very accurate, according to Lazar.

[andy06shake]

Well that is what the movie's producer and his sister are implying, that just after Lazar's first public interview with Knapp and the discussion of Papoose Lake site, the map was reprinted days later with the road to the silver mine deleted. Lazar actually stated that he is not a conspiracy theorist and that his only interest is in the technology so he always falls back on saying that he just does not know about much about the conspiracy side of this or does not want to go down those rabbit holes.

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On a side interest of Lazar's:

In the Rogan interview Lazar mentioned bismuth (with magnesium) as something that should be looked at as it was close to Element 115 on the periodic table.

"Bismuth (symbol Bi, atomic number 83) is a brittle, post-transition metal with a lustrous, silvery-white appearance that often develops a rosy or iridescent oxide tarnish.  It is the most diamagnetic of all metals and possesses one of the lowest thermal conductivities among metals, alongside high electrical resistivity"

"Key physical and chemical properties include:

• Density: Approximately 9.8 g/cm³ (at 20°C), making it about 86% as dense as lead. 
  
• Melting and Boiling Points: It melts at 271.5°C (520.7°F) and boils at 1564°C (2847°F).
  
• Expansion on Solidification: Unlike most metals, bismuth expands by 3.32% when it freezes, a property utilized in low-melting alloys and casting. 
  
• Crystal Structure: It naturally forms a rhombohedral lattice and can grow distinctive, colorful hopper crystals with a spiral, stair-stepped structure.
  
• Toxicity: It is considered relatively nontoxic for a heavy metal, leading to its use as a lead substitute in applications like cosmetics, pharmaceuticals (e.g., Pepto-Bismol), and ammunition. 
  
• Radioactivity: Its only primordial isotope, bismuth-209, is technically radioactive with an alpha decay half-life of roughly 2.01 × 10¹⁹ years, far exceeding the age of the universe." (LLM)
  
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  "While diamagnetism exists in every substance, it is typically too weak to observe unless the material lacks stronger magnetic properties like paramagnetism (attraction due to unpaired electrons) or ferromagnetism (strong attraction).  In rare cases, such as with pyrolytic carbon or superconductors, the effect is strong enough to allow for stable magnetic levitation."
  
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"Bismuth and magnesium can be combined to form alloys and composites that improve mechanical properties, corrosion resistance, and battery performance.  The two elements react to form the intermetallic compound Mg₃Bi₂, which is thermally stable up to 821 °C and enhances the creep strength of magnesium alloys at elevated temperatures."

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I'll bet that rumination of Lazar's is not in the movie.

 
Bismuth is element 83.

Magnesium is element 12.

Moscovium is element 115.

As far as im aware, Moscovium isn't something you can approximate by mixing elements.

It's just not how chemistry or physics works.

Element 115 is/was a superheavy synthetic element created in particle accelerators, which decays in milliseconds.

As far as my understanding goes, and im more physics than chemistry.

Simply mixing Bismuth and Magnesium would give you an alloy or compound.

But nothing remotely like stable Moscovium.

[andy06shake]

I saw it a couple days ago, and I thought it was good. It definitely added credibility to his story in my mind. I think it is more complete information than anything else out there, and i like how the movie approached his story from multiple angles at once. I recommend it, for sure. Pay the ten bucks. Was worth it. Graphics of the craft are real good and very accurate, according to Lazar.

Yeah i loved the explanations.

And the graphics of the engine and craft certainly helped visualise Lazar's claims.

Not half bad.

But im not sure whether or not it adds anything actual evidence-wise. 

Which supports the existance of the aliens' version of stable Element 115.

[quintessentone]

 
Bismuth is element 83.

Magnesium is element 12.

Moscovium is element 115.

As far as im aware, Moscovium isn't something you can approximate by mixing elements.

It's just not how chemistry or physics works.

Element 115 is/was a superheavy synthetic element created in particle accelerators, which decays in milliseconds.

As far as my understanding goes, and im more physics than chemistry.

Simply mixing Bismuth and Magnesium would give you an alloy or compound.

But nothing remotely like stable Moscovium.

I don't think Lazar was saying that mixing Bismuth and magnesium was approximating Moscovium, rather I believe his train of thought was within the discussion of levitation only. The craft they were working on Lazar believed traversed time (spacetime?) and dimensions. 

As for the metal of the craft, they were discussing a seamless layering type of manufacture which may be key in how Element 115 and the craft construction reacted with each other. It was noted that seamless layering of any materials was unknown at that time but now we have 3D printing. It was also noted that Element 115 as we know it in it's current form is not the same thing that was utilized on the craft. Lazar did also say they used words/terms because they didn't have any terms/words that could apply, such as anti-gravity, which he says it is not it is rather something similar to perhaps a type of repulsive force that is unknown to us.

Something else important that Lazar pointed out was that their team and other research teams, especially metallurgists, were not allowed to work together. They were allowed to send each other questions but could not meet, so the questions Lazar's team received from other teams led him to believe they were as much at a loss to figure it out as they were.

[andy06shake]

I don't think Lazar was saying that mixing Bismuth and magnesium was approximating Moscovium, rather I believe his train of thought was within the discussion of levitation only. The craft they were working on Lazar believed traversed time (spacetime?) and dimensions.

As for the metal of the craft, they were discussing a seamless layering type of manufacture which may be key in how Element 115 and the craft construction reacted with each other. It was noted that seamless layering of any materials was unknown at that time but now we have 3D printing.

Something else important that Lazar pointed out was that their team and other research teams, especially metallurgists, were not allowed to work together. They were allowed to send each other questions but could not meet, so the questions Lazar's team received from other teams led him to believe they were as much at a loss to figure it out as they were.

Where does it mention traversing dimensions unless they are spatial?

As to them not being allowed to work together.

The compartmentalisation is handy where the story is concerned.

Im still on the fence Quint, just playing devil's advocate.

I always thought that the implication was that the craft was grown, as opposed to printed.

Given that there were allegedly no sharp lines or seams anywhere on the vehicle.

[quintessentone]

Where does it mention traversing dimensions unless they are spatial?

As to them not being allowed to work together.

The compartmentalisation is handy where the story is concerned.

Im still on the fence Quint, just playing devil's advocate.

I always thought that the implication was that the craft was grown, as opposed to printed.

Given that there were allegedly no sharp lines or seams anywhere on the vehicle.

Hey, a good healthy dose of skepticism is always a good idea.

I was just repeating what Lazar said in the Rogan interview about the dimension hopping, more of Lazar's ruminations most likely, so of course we have to take it with a grain of salt.

You bet the compartmentalization is necessary so there can be no future get togethers with the likes of Knapp to take a deeper dive.

Funny you should mention that the craft was grown, because I was just thinking the same thing. Their technology would be so far advanced that it would seem like magic to us.

[ArMaP]

Yeah i loved the explanations.

And the graphics of the engine and craft certainly helped visualise Lazar's claims.

Not half bad.

But im not sure whether or not it adds anything actual evidence-wise. 

Which supports the existance of the aliens' version of stable Element 115.

Exactly.

Even if I make a movie with great visuals and detailed explanations about other things it doesn't mean the Big Bad Wolf really ate Little Red Riding Hood's grandmother.

[quintessentone]

Lazar said that his team heard rumors that they were going to relocate the craft somewhere else, some Island in the Pacific, but at the time it was too expensive to do so...I wonder if they did actually move the craft.

[andy06shake]

Lazar said that his team heard rumors that they were going to relocate the craft somewhere else, some Island in the Pacific, but at the time it was too expensive to do so...I wonder if they did actually move the craft.

There was more than just the one craft Quint.

Lazar claimed that he worked on 9 alien spacecraft while employed at "S-4."

Of all different shapes and sizes in various states of repair. 

So they would have to have moved them all...

[quintessentone]

There was more than just the one craft Quint.

Lazar claimed that he worked on 9 alien spacecraft while employed at "S-4."

Of all different shapes and sizes in various states of repair. 

So they would have to have moved them all...

My exact recollection of what Lazar said may be missing information, but I seem to recall they were discussing the one craft his team were working on and only the one craft, but I do think he also said the rumors were that all the craft were to be moved but to different locations worldwide. I would have to rewatch the Rogan interview to find it. But I think that is how the gist of the rumor went.

Are there any Islands in the Pacific with underground US bases from way back that may have served the purpose?