Putin's North Korean Soldiers

[Creaky]

That is not a logical way to determine whether something is propaganda or not, in my mind. So are you saying you will only believe it if Putin and/or Kim tells you what to believe?

Yes, if that makes you feel better for your position then yes
Just as you only believe what Biden or Zelenskyy tell you

I will believe there are North Koreans when I see prisoners being interrogated, when I see North Korean asians as opposed to Chinese asians paraded on YouTube as prisoners.
I am sure there are other ways it could be verified, but not you or your Western media run by Zelenskyy to create as many enemies, generate as much sympathy and support, so moronic Western countries can poor moor streams of cash, weapons and soldiers into his pocket

And to think you can try and shame me, brow beat me into accepting your beliefs

Do you really live in such ignorance you can’t see, not even for a second, the potential propaganda benefits at play in saying their are NK soldiers in Russia

Rhetorical 
Feel free to come back to me when you have some solid evidence, not western media hearsay

[Arby]

Well seeing the US and Britain are at war with Russia, not them 
And certainly nothing syndicated from Western sources

What about Al Jazeera from Qatar?
 Ukraine says it captured two North Korean soldiers in Russia’s Kursk

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/11...d-in-kursk

I understand some skepticism of war reporting because it's notorious for having inaccuracies due to propaganda from both sides. However there are videos on Telegram of Russians burning the faces off of fallen soldiers wearing Russian uniforms, which is something I never saw before the N Korean troops were alleged to be fighting in Kursk. Logically, there are reasons to do that if the the soldiers they are burning the faces off of are North Koreans, to try to hide the fact North Koreans are fighting in Kursk. Russia doesn't really have incentive to do that to other Russian soldiers for any reason I can think of, and has reasons NOT to do that because it's so disrespectful of the fallen comrades, whose families want the body returned for proper burial and will be more distressed if the corpse is intentionally disfigured like that. Think about it, having one's face burned off is not a normal war injury, like say an entire body being burned inside a destroyed burning vehicle might be more normal.

Regarding wanting to see the North korean prisoners interviewed, they have been interviewed, but is it a violation of the geneva convention for treatment of prisoners to allow media access to the prisoners, or to publicly air the interviews? I'm not an expert on that, but I think it might be a violation, so maybe your standards of evidence are unrealistic in this case if you expect Ukraine to violate the Geneva convention regarding prisoner treatment?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn57z316y02o

"The Geneva Conventions state that the questioning of prisoners should be carried out in a language they understand and prisoners must be protected against public curiosity.
BBC News and other international media have not yet verified Ukraine's account of the prisoners and their capture."

"prisoners must be protected against public curiosity" doesn't seem very well defined in that summary, but maybe it's more clear in the actual Geneva convention documents, which I may research later.

[Creaky]

What about Al Jazeera from Qatar?
 Ukraine says it captured two North Korean soldiers in Russia’s Kursk

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/11...d-in-kursk

I understand some skepticism of war reporting because it's notorious for having inaccuracies due to propaganda from both sides. However there are videos on Telegram of Russians burning the faces off of fallen soldiers wearing Russian uniforms, which is something I never saw before the N Korean troops were alleged to be fighting in Kursk. Logically, there are reasons to do that if the the soldiers they are burning the faces off of are North Koreans, to try to hide the fact North Koreans are fighting in Kursk. Russia doesn't really have incentive to do that to other Russian soldiers for any reason I can think of, and has reasons NOT to do that because it's so disrespectful of the fallen comrades, whose families want the body returned for proper burial and will be more distressed if the corpse is intentionally disfigured like that. Think about it, having one's face burned off is not a normal war injury, like say an entire body being burned inside a destroyed burning vehicle might be more normal.

Regarding wanting to see the North korean prisoners interviewed, they have been interviewed, but is it a violation of the geneva convention for treatment of prisoners to allow media access to the prisoners, or to publicly air the interviews? I'm not an expert on that, but I think it might be a violation, so maybe your standards of evidence are unrealistic in this case if you expect Ukraine to violate the Geneva convention regarding prisoner treatment?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn57z316y02o

"The Geneva Conventions state that the questioning of prisoners should be carried out in a language they understand and prisoners must be protected against public curiosity.
BBC News and other international media have not yet verified Ukraine's account of the prisoners and their capture."

"prisoners must be protected against public curiosity" doesn't seem very well defined in that summary, but maybe it's more clear in the actual Geneva convention documents, which I may research later.

Great 

from your link

Ukraine says it captured two North Korean soldiers in Russia’s KurskWounded soldiers taken to Kyiv for questioning by Ukrainian investigators in cooperation with South Korean intelligence.

hi lighting the catch line is “Ukraine says”, who has confirmed they are NK not just Ukraine saying it to get sympathy 

I will checkout telegram and bitchute, thanks

[Freeborn]

If it is not obvious that the Ukraine conflict is a proxy war between the 'Western' oligarchy of the USA and UK (and to a lesser degree the EU) and the 'Eastern' oligarchy, largely Russia and North Korea (and to a lesser degree, China), I don't know what to tell you.

It's certainly not a proxy war as far as Russia is concerned, they are quite openly conducting a war of invasion on a non-threatening neighbour whose independence they were sworn to respect and protect. They are using Russian forces - supplemented by North Korean troops and African mercenaries - and Russian equipment - although increasingly reliant on supplies and armaments from those paragons of virtue Iran and North Korea.
Nothing 'proxy' about any of that.

Yes, the UK/US/NATO have supplied arms and training etc but no boots on the ground actually engaged with Russian forces. 
The UK and US were also sworn to protect and respect Ukraine independence and its borders, that is what they are doing......honouring their word. (Obviously its not quite as simplistic as that.....but true nonetheless.)

If Putin hadn't invaded Ukraine none of this would be happening.
It really is as simple as that.

You don't know what to tell me?
Try not 'telling' me anything and try discussing, debating and even dare I say considering alternative opinions?
 

[Freeborn]

Err, guess ignoring the state of your country is a pastime there on Gilligans island?
How many of them awesome Centurion tanks have Ukraine scrapped, how much Stirling is now ploughed on the fields of Ukraine, how broke is the British government and with little joy, how good is your economy compared to the Russians 
Its called a proxy war 
https://www.declassifieduk.org/explainer...on-russia/

Don't know what the state of my country has to do with North Korean soldiers fighting for Russia in Ukraine?

The British economy is struggling, I make no bones about that....its pretty self-evident.
But everything is relative, and relative to the Russian economy its positively booming.

If you wish to discuss the state of affairs here in the UK perhaps you could start a thread on it and I'd be glad to contribute.
 

[Oldcarpy2]

Here is some pretty good evidence including photos and video of two captured NK soldiers:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...79791.html

[quintessentone]

Here is some pretty good evidence including photos and video of two captured NK soldiers:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...79791.html

That won't help convince Creaky but thanks for your input. Any Western media offerings will not be accepted as credible evidence even if most world leaders have accepted it as fact.

The thing is that it is not logical to say one side is not credible and spews out propaganda whereas the other side does not.

[Oldcarpy2]

Sadly, logic doesn't seem to be applied by some.

[quintessentone]

Sadly, logic doesn't seem to be applied by some.

Well to be fair I understand how AI fake videos can be put out there and they can be indistinguishable from reality, but even still, I think world leaders have the resources to be able to identify AI propaganda. Do you agree?

Critical thinking, common sense and faith in our leaders' Intel needs to be applied here.

While I was watching the interview with the NK POWs, even I sometimes thought I saw some AI glitching, but maybe Creaky has got me into that conspiracy rabbit hole mindset.

All in all, my point of this thread was to highlight Putin's need for boots on the ground because I also watch Russian POW interviews and they are ill trained, lied to by Russian government, and it appears as soon as they land (usually at the edge of treelines) they are immediately surrounded by Ukrainian forces.

If we are to believe these interviews, it makes sense Putin's land grab/war progress is in trouble (which is my whole point of this thread).

[Oldcarpy2]

Yes, I agree.