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Putin's North Korean Soldiers
N.A.T.O. confirms what I've been trying to relay here on this thread, that Putin's war/land grab is failing and he may become more dangerous because of desperation using a destabilization campaign against other countries as well as Ukraine (sabotage, cyberattacks, assasination attempts etc.) - with China by it's side (?)

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(01-15-2025, 08:15 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Well to be fair I understand how AI fake videos can be put out there and they can be indistinguishable from reality, but even still, I think world leaders have the resources to be able to identify AI propaganda. Do you agree?

Critical thinking, common sense and faith in our leaders' Intel needs to be applied here.

While I was watching the interview with the NK POWs, even I sometimes thought I saw some AI glitching, but maybe Creaky has got me into that conspiracy rabbit hole mindset.

All in all, my point of this thread was to highlight Putin's need for boots on the ground because I also watch Russian POW interviews and they are ill trained, lied to by Russian government, and it appears as soon as they land (usually at the edge of treelines) they are immediately surrounded by Ukrainian forces.

If we are to believe these interviews, it makes sense Putin's land grab/war progress is in trouble (which is my whole point of this thread).

If Ukraine was taking positions, hadn’t lost the land they have, we’re still financially viable, I would agree
Weren't cap in hand to anyone listening (still), I would agree
https://youtu.be/hAhAEztHojc

I really hope, NK involved or not, it ends soon

and I hope, the US gets Greenland and everyone is happy
Thats a side issue
I hope Trump gets the US back on track and your country pulls themselves out of the hole you are in
I also understand why Russia are not happy with Ukraine joining NATO, don’t blame them for feeling threatened, like the US with the Cuban missile crisis
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(01-15-2025, 09:06 AM)quintessentone Wrote: N.A.T.O. confirms what I've been trying to relay here on this thread, that Putin's war/land grab is failing and he may become more dangerous because of desperation using a destabilization campaign against other countries as well as Ukraine (sabotage, cyberattacks, assasination attempts etc.) - with China by it's side (?)


NATO, irrelevant, Trump will leave the NATO pact give a reason 
https://youtu.be/jGP1hJJNstI
And so he should, parasites
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(01-15-2025, 09:28 AM)Creaky Wrote: I hope Trump gets the US back on track and your country pulls themselves out of the hole you are in

Ditto, I too hope your country pulls themselves out of the hole you are in without invading Greenland or threatening other countries around the world. "You gotta have friends." Just saying.
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(01-15-2025, 09:43 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Ditto, I too hope your country pulls themselves out of the hole you are in without invading Greenland or threatening other countries around the world. "You gotta have friends." Just saying.

I am Astrayan, not from the US 
US ain’t my country, hold no ill will against (most) Americans, just weary of their government’s propaganda and the intelligence/complacency of their people
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(01-15-2025, 10:01 AM)Creaky Wrote: I am Astrayan, not from the US 
US ain’t my country, hold no ill will against (most) Americans, just weary of their government’s propaganda and the intelligence/complacency of their people

Is that another term for Brazilian?
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(01-15-2025, 09:28 AM)Creaky Wrote: If Ukraine was taking positions, hadn’t lost the land they have, we’re still financially viable, I would agree
Weren't cap in hand to anyone listening (still), I would agree
https://youtu.be/hAhAEztHojc

I really hope, NK involved or not, it ends soon

and I hope, the US gets Greenland and everyone is happy
Thats a side issue
I hope Trump gets the US back on track and your country pulls themselves out of the hole you are in
I also understand why Russia are not happy with Ukraine joining NATO, don’t blame them for feeling threatened, like the US with the Cuban missile crisis


Why would Russia feel threatened?


Nothing like the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Ukraine was years away from joining NATO, if ever.

Russia already has NATO countries on it's borders anyway.
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(01-15-2025, 09:28 AM)Creaky Wrote: I also understand why Russia are not happy with Ukraine joining NATO, don’t blame them for feeling threatened, like the US with the Cuban missile crisis

Prior to Putin's invasion NATO had repeatedly told Ukraine it had absolutely no chance whatsoever of even being considered for NATO membership for at least another 25 years.
Obviously all that changed the moment Putin decided to invade Ukraine......who's responsible for that senseless act of aggression?

And all its achieved is with the addition of Finland and Sweden into NATO is to increase Russia's border with NATO.
With hindsight perhaps not the best judgement call.

On a slightly different note; I sincerely hope Trump doesn't take the US out of NATO - it has proven its worth and value.
But I do agree that most other member nations need to increase their defence budget and contribute more.
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Why was Putin threatened in 2022? Could have been because of economic sanctions causing economic insecurity issues.

From the explanations in this video, now it appears Putin can't stop the war because it will cause economic insecurity.

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(01-15-2025, 04:18 AM)Freeborn Wrote: It's certainly not a proxy war as far as Russia is concerned, they are quite openly conducting a war of invasion on a non-threatening neighbour whose independence they were sworn to respect and protect. They are using Russian forces - supplemented by North Korean troops and African mercenaries - and Russian equipment - although increasingly reliant on supplies and armaments from those paragons of virtue Iran and North Korea.
Nothing 'proxy' about any of that.

Yes, the UK/US/NATO have supplied arms and training etc but no boots on the ground actually engaged with Russian forces. 
The UK and US were also sworn to protect and respect Ukraine independence and its borders, that is what they are doing......honouring their word. (Obviously its not quite as simplistic as that.....but true nonetheless.)

If Putin hadn't invaded Ukraine none of this would be happening.
It really is as simple as that.

You don't know what to tell me?
Try not 'telling' me anything and try discussing, debating and even dare I say considering alternative opinions?
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I have to keep it brief but it is a proxy war, because the only reason Russia invaded was due to NATO and in particular US meddling in Ukraine affairs, as well as Ukrainian government bombing it's own citizens of Russian descent in the Eastern provinces.  Of course Russia will use those as excuses to invade, but you have to understand that if Victoria 'fuck the EU' Neuland and her ilk had not been playing at Maidan Colour Revolution Regime Change game, then I highly doubt Russia would have militarily invaded.
It is the very definition of a proxy war, as Russia felt squeezed by NATO expansion, if not on paper, than in deed.
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