Plane collides with Blackhawk helicopter Washington DC

[UltraBudgie]

Y'all figure it out yet? This kind of feistiness would make a good debate forum thread.

[putnam6]

Y'all figure it out yet? This kind of feistiness would make a good debate forum thread.

I'm not so sure this is a debate topic at all one side has is "it looks like they flew intentionally into the jet" from a 10-second clip WITH no other evidence to support that theory.

Ive tried to find a nighttime view from an AH-60 in a cityscape they aren't east to find 



but here is a jet's view its east to see why visually it could be confusing AF


Just off the top of my head wouldn't that mean the rest of the crew was in cahoots with the suicidal pilot? Do we expect the other pilot and crewman to sit there and watch the helicopter close in on the visible jet and do nothing? 

but let me watch the video again with a cup of java but for now, the suicidal pilot sounds like the least likely occurrence

[MonkMode]

You really don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about, but god you really do like to try to sound like an expert. You've never been in a cockpit, let alone in a situation where you have to identify something several miles away, but by god you know exactly what they were thinking and what they did. Anyone that knows what they're talking about knows how wrong you are, but that won't stop you. 

It doesn't matter if it was decided by the time PAT25 was warned about them, because PAT25 was on a different frequency so never knew that they were changing runways. When they looked away, the CRJ was no longer in front of them, but was to their left, with their lights no longer pointing directly at them. Go find somewhere that has night vision goggles and try using them, and learning something instead of trying to sound like you know better than everyone else, and are some kind of genius when it comes to aviation safety and what happened here. Maybe you'll learn that vision through them, especially when something is dim, with a lot of other light sources around, is extremely difficult if not impossible.

But hey, you know best! You already know exactly what happened. You should release your report and solve this, and save everyone a ton of time and money, and help all the families out! Who knows, maybe you'll become the new go to person for aviation safety!

OMG, I keep coming back here, telling myself, just let it be. But then I see you say some crap like they were on a different frequency and it sends me into a tizzy.

ATC broadcasted to PAT25 on the UHF frequency and can broadcast on both VHF and UHF frequencies. PAT25 confirmed visual and visual separation was approved by ATC

I have to wonder if you are any expert at all if you haven’t learned that ATC broadcasted on UHF to PAT25.

It is very easy to see the beacon of a plane on a clear night.

[putnam6]

OMG, I keep coming back here, telling myself, just let it be. But then I see you say some crap like they were on a different frequency and it sends me into a tizzy.

ATC broadcasted to PAT25 on the UHF frequency and can broadcast on both VHF and UHF frequencies. PAT25 confirmed visual and visual separation was approved by ATC

I have to wonder if you are any expert at all if you haven’t learned that ATC broadcasted on UHF to PAT25.

It is very easy to see the beacon of a plane on a clear night.

LOL, it's just a discussion why get into a tizzy...

Tell me if Im following correctly you believe the pilot of the AH-60 deliberately flew into the jet? Is that correct?

That's the hard part for me to rationalize, and it's why the misidentification seems more likely. 

Not seeing anybody else in the news or social media say with such certainty what happened much less this was a deliberate act by the pilot. 

Respectfully if the pilot and co-pilot could see the plane as clearly as you suggest how is it all communications are nice and calm? If one pilot was trying to suicide themselves, wouldn't that likely be self-evident from the cockpit voice recorder?

Even if it seems possible spacially on a map and synced with the radar doesn't mean thats compelling evidence of what happened

[Zaphod58]

OMG, I keep coming back here, telling myself, just let it be. But then I see you say some crap like they were on a different frequency and it sends me into a tizzy.

ATC broadcasted to PAT25 on the UHF frequency and can broadcast on both VHF and UHF frequencies. PAT25 confirmed visual and visual separation was approved by ATC

I have to wonder if you are any expert at all if you haven’t learned that ATC broadcasted on UHF to PAT25.

It is very easy to see the beacon of a plane on a clear night.

The tower was talking to PAT25 on 134.35, which is used for helicopters, and the CRJ on 119.1. VHF and UHF use different frequency ranges, and not all aircraft are equipped with both. Even if the CRJ had both, why in hell would they be using one on 134.35, which is only for helicopter use. 

=#ffffffIssues that would play a role in the investigation, not listed according to relevance or importance:

• The fact that both helicopter and regional jet were on different radio frequencies.
  
• The helicopter’s published route indicated a maximum altitude of 200 ft. AGL. The accident occurred at 400 ft. AGL.
  
• The fact that the pilots of the helicopter were using night vision goggles (NVG), with the loss of peripheral vision and depth perception.
  
• The decision to use the “Circle to Land” approach to runway 33 instead of a straight landing on runway 1.
  
• The presence of another aircraft on takeoff and one Airbus 319 immediately behind the regional jet.
  

https://www.commercialuavnews.com/the-en...ect-record

Try actually learning what the hell you're talking about before you start throwing crap around to stick to the wall.

[MonkMode]

The tower was talking to PAT25 on 134.35, which is used for helicopters, and the CRJ on 119.1. VHF and UHF use different frequency ranges, and not all aircraft are equipped with both. Even if the CRJ had both, why in hell would they be using one on 134.35, which is only for helicopter use. 
https://www.commercialuavnews.com/the-en...ect-record

Try actually learning what the hell you're talking about before you start throwing crap around to stick to the wall.

Again, ATC communicated clearly to PAT25 exactly where JIA5342 was and where it was headed.

PAT25 received the communication, and confirmed sight. It had more than enough time to separate its path.

It is ridiculous to think PAT25 couldn’t see JIA5342, but only saw the plane behind JIA5342. Again, that is as bad as running a red light because the light at the intersection of the next block is green.

[Zaphod58]

Again, ATC communicated clearly to PAT25 exactly where JIA5342 was and where it was headed.

PAT25 received the communication, and confirmed sight. It had more than enough time to separate its path.

It is ridiculous to think PAT25 couldn’t see JIA5342, but only saw the plane behind JIA5342. Again, that is as bad as running a red light because the light at the intersection of the next block is green.

And it's ridiculous that you can't understand how much was going on in that cockpit, and how easy it is to misidentify a flight at night, especially when you're vision restricted, and one plane turns away from them.

[KKLoco]

The thought of this person purposely doing this is ridiculous. If you do a simple search on this girl, she liked selfies A LOT. Typical, for her self absorbed age group. She was probably doing one of these at the time:



She's always laughing and giggling in all her pics. Apparently, she didn't take life serious enough....

[RickyD]

The thought of this person purposely doing this is ridiculous. If you do a simple search on this girl, she liked selfies A LOT. Typical, for her self absorbed age group. She was probably doing one of these at the time:

[Image: https://i.imgur.com/qyoAK5G.jpeg]

She's always laughing and giggling in all her pics. Apparently, she didn't take life serious enough....

Is it just me or do they look like spaceballs vader helemts lol. How the f&#* do those even fit?!?!...do they just add massive padding to the smallest helmet they carry?

[Zaphod58]

Is it just me or do they look like spaceballs vader helemts lol. How the f&#* do those even fit?!?!...do they just add massive padding to the smallest helmet they carry?

They have radio earmuffs in them. They provide better protection than older helmets. It shifts the head forward in the helmet to improve visibility, without NVGs, and has impact protection to reduce head injuries.