(09-20-2024, 10:01 AM)Karl12 Wrote: Ha reckon you know what I mean mate - just hope if they ever do transition the Culture series to film they stick to Bank's vision and not try to interject their own political agenda.
It's definitely been going recently in movies and looks like the ones that tried 'flopped'.
Contrary to the CIA reckon entertainment (and objective journalism) is no place to pimp radical ideologies (left it right) on anyone.
You've obviously read the Culture series - which one do you like best?
ha maybe banks is 'woke done right' because even though its definitely like lefty liberal commie genderfluid weirdness in there its first and foremost darn good stories with characters that are complex and selfrealized and not shallow cutouts which is the big problem i have with most of the stuff people complain as being woke is that its shallow garbage where the agenda is more important than the story and noone would act like that and it lives in a simple world thats all some weird kayfab and it makes it suck where its just so silly that theres no suspension of disbelif like. and thats whats annoying with woke, not the actually liberalism in a classical sense because star trek tos and tng did that really well and presented stories that showed both side and made you think and didnt feel like propaganda although maybe it was. its the woke idea now that to have social change youve got to destroy old tropes and ways of thinking and architypes and yeah maybe thats true but its done by replacing with something better not silly deconstruction that rings false and i sure hope they dont try to use the culture series as a vehicle for that kind of crap. and part of that deconstruction is deliberately creating controversial stuff like burn the old ideas in fire of opposition, provoke to create two camps and pit them idealogically against each other, and really all that does is paralyze and support old power structures that can maintain themselves by manipulating as they always have behind the scenes outside the circus which is where i think your getting to with like the cia supporting wokeness, not as a tool of change itself but as a tool of cultural paralysis to tie up and distract where change might occur so the change that happens can be what tptb or whoever want.
and as to the culture series by banks that reminds me of the group that splintered off the culture, i forget what they were called, because they saw special circumstances as meddlesome and the minds as playing a grand chess game and using everyone as pawns, and haha perhaps theyre banks version of deep state truthers. hadnt thought of that before. and well if so then certainly hed agree the affront is like the maga movement, lefty that he was if he were alive today. but hed be actually intelligent about it i bet instead of reflexive tds criticism.
for a long while excession was my favorite culture book because i really like the shiptosihp intreague and the feeling of vast galaxywide scope to it, the whole powers beyond ken of the excession itself lotsa turbulance from it just being even though to an extent nothing really happens hah it moves by existing. great book.
and against a dark background is great because i love the idea of the lazy gun and its a great story but whats really been in recent years my favorite is surface detail, the entire idea of the war on hell and its a nightmare story in some ways but banks was really ahead of the curve with simulation theory and pseudognostic inception reality layering and again, its foremost another great story and not contrived bs really benefits from rereading and not just twice!
anyway what ones do you like?
edit oh and along the lines of the surface detail simulation i wanted to mention neil stephenson 'fall dodge in hell' which would be an interesting movie although very hard to present visually i would imagine but a pretty good matryoshka reality story too although as someone said it has the same problem that alot of neil stephenson books have in that (haha) as soon as the main ideas are explored and you start to get near the ending, it
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