NATO approves use of deep strike weapons against Russia

[Creaky]

F#ck yeah, America 
world police
Lets go BRICS
Lets go Taiwan
Lets go Houthi’s 
Middle East et al
https://youtu.be/TmoeZHnOJKA?si=8FnYahQIHsp3V3tU

thanks to all that corruption we are looking at a bit more than another European war once a few other countries get in on it
Russia has destabilised halt the African continent (so they should have)
Looks like we need a new messiah

​​​​​​​Who made Ukraine so corrupt?

[putnam6]

I learned something new today, all these long range missiles except the German Taurus as far as I can tell utilize classified cartographic mapping from the US to achieve precision targeting. They all also use GPS and inertial guidance as well but as we know GPS is easily jammed. So basically without the US allowing these strikes they wouldn't be happening. We have the final say on any weapon using our classified terrain mapping. Aside from that the US provides most of their longrange targeting data in the form of strike packages to Ukraine to utilize their longrange missiles. Really dancing right on the line of being directly involved in my opinion.

Yeah, the outlandish Russian media is already calling for targeting Germany

[Ravenwatcher]

Yeah, the outlandish Russian media is already calling for targeting Germany

Putin is bluffing all the way and is leading Trump on with nice cocktail conversations He's ex KGB manipulating a "Deal maker" Trump is being played like a violin. Putin's nuclear weapons most likely 50% would go off in their silos and what ever happened to his great "Oreshnik" Putin's full of crap.

[RickyD]

Putin is bluffing all the way and is leading Trump on with nice cocktail conversations He's ex KGB manipulating a "Deal maker" Trump is being played like a violin. Putin's nuclear weapons most likely 50% would go off in their silos and what ever happened to his great "Oreshnik" Putin's full of crap.

I am very glad forien policy and military policy isn't determined by you then...

Oreshnik seemed to work just fine...and if you remember every western country was pretty up in arms over it. If it was bullshit they would use it as propaganda to paint Russia as incompetent.

Russia still to this day makes some of the best rockets in the world....so much so the US has been using their rocket motors for our rockets for decades. There are plently of things I would agree Russia does poorly but acts like is the hot shit...Rockets are not one of them.

Even if you are right which I doubt you are...50% of what they have is more than enough to ensure we don't exist on earth for long. Not to mention if they launch we launch others launch...we all die. What a cavalier attitude to have for something so dangerous.

[RickyD]

Yeah, the outlandish Russian media is already calling for targeting Germany

I doubt they would do that, I think any retaliatory action would be aimed at destroying whatever is shipping the munitions into Ukraine. I am surprised they haven't targeted US assets for long range ISR like spy satellites considering we are putting the targeting packages together for the long range strikes using those assets. I don't think they are suicidal or want a full blown escalation so any response I would expect to be measured and very tempered.

[putnam6]

I am very glad forien policy and military policy isn't determined by you then...

Oreshnik seemed to work just fine...and if you remember every western country was pretty up in arms over it. If it was bullshit they would use it as propaganda to paint Russia as incompetent.

Russia still to this day makes some of the best rockets in the world....so much so the US has been using their rocket motors for our rockets for decades. There are plently of things I would agree Russia does poorly but acts like is the hot shit...Rockets are not one of them.

Even if you are right which I doubt you are...50% of what they have is more than enough to ensure we don't exist on earth for long. Not to mention if they launch we launch others launch...we all die. What a cavalier attitude to have for something so dangerous.

Yeah, one nuclear missile hit anywhere could lead to off-the-charts devastating worldwide instability, even a smuggled suitcase nuke could. Let's wait till I can get my cabin in the mountains

Its not the # of nukes is the # of pissed off people with he access to nukes, pretty sure a Russia nuke hit on UK would spark a NATO nuclear response, and Im not sure anybody could stop it after that.

[UltraBudgie]

y'all really should cultivate the belief-tunnel that nukes aren't real and are a control psyop by the security council powers to keep the population in check with the fear of mad destruction justifying the eternal subjugation of national economies to the military state. it may not be true (whatever that is) but it is just as usefully actionable a belief set as sweating bullets and stressing over armageddon, and considerably more self empowering and healthful to one's mental equilibrium. here is an example of where it is saner to be crazy in a crazy world than sane in a world that says it is sane, but isn't.

[annonentity]

Fair enough...

But, map it out for the less analytical or on a different wavelength, 

What happens next?

All I know is the X comments seem a little tense. LOL

  Most of the time you get crises come in now and then but when a collapse occurs the collapse by definition seems to be a nonstop crisis , all the signs are there that the present system has run its course. The civilian free trade economy is being run as a command economy posing as a free trade one. This happens during every collapse when the ruling elite just want to keep things going a bit longer. What has to happen next is peace or a hot war. I am amazed that the containment of the hot war has mostly stayed in Ukraine , the only reason it has is because Russia has been playing for time to fight at a place and time of its choosing when ready. 
 The West is essentially bombing Russia, I would imagine when the real war finally breaks out, it will not last long, and since the USA do not seem to have a very good record of winning wars the likely outcome will be some hurried negotiations with the general Western populations not being much wiser as to what is going on than they are now, but a lot more poorer.

[RickyD]

Yeah, one nuclear missile hit anywhere could lead to off-the-charts devastating worldwide instability, even a smuggled suitcase nuke could. Let's wait till I can get my cabin in the mountains

Its not the # of nukes is the # of pissed off people with he access to nukes, pretty sure a Russia nuke hit on UK would spark a NATO nuclear response, and Im not sure anybody could stop it after that.

Thats the scary part...and you posted some past examples of what would actually happen. Its bot a hit that triggers a response...its a launch. Now I don't know a ton about the lesser nuclear capable countries abilities. I do know the major powers have layers of senors dedicated to indentifying launches. Its the whole reason Russia told the US and probably other Major NATO countries about the Oreshnik launch before hand...even if only just before. Had they not, the risk that we identify it as balistic and take it as a first strike is high. If a launch goes on a balistic tragectory space agency or otherwise it is and has to be announced...thats why even when sending classified payloads into space we still announce them. We have almost had a nuclear exchange like 3 times in history. Maybe more but still not declassified. Either way its not worth the risk and I am fine with it...it keeps major powers in check as opposed to how the world worked before nuclear weapons were a thing. I would rather powers so capable of destruction be handicapped from war in so many aspects because of the consequences than what we had before, which ultimately lead to some of the most major losses of human life and some of the biggest wars humanity has ever seen.

We need to figure out how to get along and get over this whole spreading democracy shit. The way other countries run is the responsibility of the people who live there and are governed by those who disagree with.

[RickyD]

y'all really should cultivate the belief-tunnel that nukes aren't real and are a control psyop by the security council powers to keep the population in check with the fear of mad destruction justifying the eternal subjugation of national economies to the military state. it may not be true (whatever that is) but it is just as usefully actionable a belief set as sweating bullets and stressing over armageddon, and considerably more self empowering and healthful to one's mental equilibrium. here is an example of where it is saner to be crazy in a crazy world than sane in a world that says it is sane, but isn't.

I mean rainbows and unicorns are nice...but history is full of reality. Not only were nukes used on Japan...but the testing of them for like 50 years cements their reality. We as has been posted already have had multiple close calls to actual nuclear war. I would rather we all take it deadly serious and do everything possible to prevent its occurrence. This lends to the point in my post above. If we all know the most powerful nations fighting leads to the end of the world we have less major war and loss of life...I can live with that. Sucks for the lesser nations who don't have backers with nukes...but the alternative to their mistreatment is way way worse for everyone.