Multiple Russian Tu-95 bombers burning a massive Ukrainian FPV drone strike

[putnam6]

The facts are simple and 2.
1. If the USA had not been Empire building and poking in Ukraine then Russia never would have invaded, full stop. It is the USA fault that Russia invaded. I say this as an American and an honorably discharged one at that. 
2. Russia should not have invaded and it just makes the whole thing worse and there is no real justification for the proxy war killing innocent Ukrainians. 

That's all I have said. Ad nauseum.  That's why I am not sorry that I am not all gung ho Pro Ukraine because I am not all gung ho pro Russia either. But people like to project. Grey is hard for most people to see.

You Putin nuthugger...

I'm pro-American, but it's asking for problems getting too involved now in the war, while we are such a divided country. 

For now, Ukraine, NATO, and America need to take the pain of making peace now so we can start preparing better for the looming next war.

[CriticalStinker]

Do the ethnic Mexicans have any nuanced nuclear-tipped ICBMs ....

Who knows, maybe I was raised in the Cold War era, and MAD is imprinted on my brain. Neither will make peace and we can spend billions and 3 years conventionally and be right back to where we are now, with every one of those 900 plus days under a heightened threat of nuclear weapons use... Yay!

as for your scenario 

People have fought back against nuclear powers for decades. It's certainly a concern, but it doesn't stop nations from fighting. 

As for the spending, probably a waste. I think there is a good chance the west never intended for Ukraine to win. That's dark, but Ukraine leaned into it.

That doesn't make it right, or just. But Ukraine is a non peer to what was thought to be the 2nd most powerful military on the planet. Outclassed by population, economic power, military strength, and almost every measurable stat. They had to have really wanted to stay separate from Russia. There is history to give us credence as to why. Take a look at the rest of the former USSR and Warsaw Pact country and the story is often the same.

The extremist groups that ended up receiving part of the aid were nationalist groups. I think that is pretty common when a nation feels an existential crisis. There is a pretty popular wave of nationalism in the US right now, albeit far less extreme than the eastern Ukraine nationalists.

I'm not saying the people who boast being nationalist in the US are the same as the pseudo nazi nationalist in Ukraine, merely you can see how context could change the sentiment of nationalism. 

I'm not suggesting we hate all the Russian's as a people, but maybe we can be critical of their actions, which have led most of their satellite countries to distance themselves as much as possible. Seems they would know better than I on the topic.

[putnam6]

[putnam6]

People have fought back against nuclear powers for decades. It's certainly a concern, but it doesn't stop nations from fighting. 

As for the spending, probably a waste. I think there is a good chance the west never intended for Ukraine to win. That's dark, but Ukraine leaned into it.

That doesn't make it right, or just. But Ukraine is a non peer to what was thought to be the 2nd most powerful military on the planet. Outclassed by population, economic power, military strength, and almost every measurable stat. They had to have really wanted to stay separate from Russia. There is history to give us credence as to why. Take a look at the rest of the former USSR and Warsaw Pact country and the story is often the same.

The extremist groups that ended up receiving part of the aid were nationalist groups. I think that is pretty common when a nation feels an existential crisis. There is a pretty popular wave of nationalism in the US right now, albeit far less extreme than the eastern Ukraine nationalists.

I'm not saying the people who boast being nationalist in the US are the same as the pseudo nazi nationalist in Ukraine, merely you can see how context could change the sentiment of nationalism. 

I'm not suggesting we hate all the Russian's as a people, but maybe we can be critical of their actions, which have led most of their satellite countries to distance themselves as much as possible. Seems they would know better than I on the topic.

Roll the dice enough, sooner or later, it will come up snake eyes ...

Countries with nuclear weapons rarely threaten their use while engaged in an actual war

an embarrassingly high percentage since 2022

Total Count

• Explicit Threats: Few, if any, are unambiguous. The U.S. in the Korean War (1950) is a borderline case, often seen as implicit but widely noted. Russia’s 2022 statements during the Ukraine war include at least 2 explicit threats (“all means,” “not a bluff”), though some argue these are deterrence posturing.
  
• Implicit Threats: 
  • U.S.: 1 (Korean War, 1950–1953, Truman’s comments).
    
  • Russia: At least 1 (Ukraine, February 2022, nuclear alert), with a second (September 2022) bordering on explicit.
    
  • Israel: 1 (Yom Kippur War, 1973, nuclear alert).
    
• Conservative Tally: 3 instances during active wars:
  • U.S., Korean War (1950–1953): Implicit threat via Truman’s statements.
    
  • Israel, Yom Kippur War (1973): Implicit threat via nuclear alert.
    
  • Russia, Ukraine War (2022): Implicit-to-explicit threat via nuclear alert and Putin’s rhetoric.
    
• Broader Tally: If recurring Russian statements during the Ukraine war are counted separately (e.g., Boris Johnson’s “at least 35” by July 2022, or United24media’s 72 by June 2024), the total could range from 35 to 70+, though many are repetitive, vague, or debated as true “threats.” A cautious estimate avoids inflating the count, sticking to distinct, notable instances.
  
• Final Estimate: Likely 3 distinct, documented instances of nuclear threats (explicit or implicit) during active wars, with Russia’s ongoing Ukraine rhetoric potentially adding more depending on interpretation.
  

Caveats

• Subjectivity: Threats are often implicit, and perception varies (e.g., deterrence vs. genuine intent).
  
• Limited Data: Secret threats may exist; public records are incomplete.
  
• Context: Most nuclear powers avoid threats during wars due to escalation risks and asymmetry (e.g., non-nuclear foes).
  

[sahgwa]

You Putin nuthugger...

I'm pro-American, but it's asking for problems getting too involved now in the war, while we are such a divided country. 

For now, Ukraine, NATO, and America need to take the pain of making peace now so we can start preparing better for the looming next war.

I want the US OUT of paying for the Ukraine and I want the war stopped the most expedient way possible.
Historically speaking this would be giving Russia the 2 eastern oblasts which Kiev was bombing civilians in, which Russia held elections in,   and finding a way to make the two children share Crimea again.  Then the end.

[sahgwa]

3 Plus years and Ive heard that analogy way too much...  here's an article from 2016 that deserves some reflection now, plug in Mexico instead of Ukraine, and plug in Xi Ping for Biden, and other high-ranking Chinese politicians and bureaucrats, and when you see, McCain, and Nuland 

Everyone ought to read the whole article; this doesn't excuse or in any way justify Putin's invasion, but it explains the Russian viewpoint very well. This was 2016, and American politicians and bureaucrats were all up in Ukraine's business, LOL Vice President Joe Biden had stated that he talks with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko more often than he does with his wife, in an awkward mix of joke and admission of Washington’s involvement in Kiev.

IF CHINA DID THIS IN MEXICO CITY? What's the American response? Isn't that a much more accurate and realistic analogy

So let's time travel back to February 2016, Trump has been President for a month, and he has been impeached twice and has 78 injunctions already filed against him....meanwhile in UKRAINE 

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/the-heartbreaking-irony-of-winter-on-fire/

[Image: https://denyignorance.com/uploader/image...an_ap_.jpg]Protesters clash with police in central Kiev, Ukraine, Wednesday, January 22, 2014.(AP Photo / Efrem Lukatsky, file)

 

Like Ive posted earlier in other threads, America will have no problem with Russia now or later, Ukraine has exposed them #1

 #2 Let's not pretend IF China did in Mexico City what McCain, Nuland, Biden etc, and others did in Kyiv and elsewhere in Ukraine, America would go absolutely bug chit.

As for Russia, they can barely take Ukraine, BUT it's to NATO's and every other European nation's best interest to let them expend military troops and resources in Ukraine. If they get a wild hair for a NATO adventure, they wouldn't get far regardless

Russia will be easier to beat if they and America face off sans proxies in the next 5-7 years.

Here's a link to Masks of the Revolution, the French film that Zelensky's Ukraine doesn't want anybody to see.

Watch if you dare to DENY IGNORANCE

[Video: https://youtu.be/6VO0f43dcLQ?si=wFqSK25CLI_gsZ2c]

No one here wants to read watch or see things about Ukraine's Nazi problem, it gets in the way of their programming/ jingoism. I posted reams of it and it just got ignored.  IF there is a response at all it's 'butwhatabout!'  *shrug*

[putnam6]

GeoInsider

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We now have Tu-95MS bombers taking off, though the exact number remains unclear. Additionally, there are four Russian ships in the Black Sea capable of carrying up to 28 Kalibr missiles Several drones have also been detected in Ukrainian airspace, with Ukraine expecting up to 400 drones tonight

GeoInsider
@InsiderGeo
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From what I’ve heard and read, drones are also expected in Russian airspace tonight, as Ukraine has launched drones in that direction as well.

[putnam6]

No one here wants to read watch or see things about Ukraine's Nazi problem, it gets in the way of their programming/ jingoism. I posted reams of it and it just got ignored.  IF there is a response at all it's 'butwhatabout!'  *shrug*

Everybody learns at thier own pace. Either they will read it and research themselves, or they won't. 

At first, I mostly thought financing Ukraine was ridiculous because there's no way they can win, and they were corrupt and graft ridden

I didn't come across the Nazis and McCain and Nuland till later hell I might have read your posts on ATS,

These were added to my growing list of Cons for US involvement in Ukraine, with very few pros.

[Oldcarpy2]

GeoInsider

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We now have Tu-95MS bombers taking off, though the exact number remains unclear. Additionally, there are four Russian ships in the Black Sea capable of carrying up to 28 Kalibr missiles Several drones have also been detected in Ukrainian airspace, with Ukraine expecting up to 400 drones tonight

GeoInsider
@InsiderGeo
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From what I’ve heard and read, drones are also expected in Russian airspace tonight, as Ukraine has launched drones in that direction as well.

Those links don't seem to mention any of that?

I'm sure Putin will respond, but your links don't mention what you are posting about?

[sahgwa]

The Don talked to rasPutin today

I love the purple prose . DEVASTATING BLOW. PLOTTING REVENGE!!

tabloidy:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...peace.html

 Donald Trump announced on Truth Social that he spoke with Russian President Vladimir Putin, but acknowledged peace with Ukraine is not on the immediate horizon. 
On the call that lasted about one hour and 15 minutes, Trump disclosed they discussed the recent drone attacks by Ukraine on Russia's air bases. 
Kyiv delivered a devastating blow to the Russian air force on Sunday and Putin is now plotting revenge.
'It was a good conversation, but not a conversation that will lead to immediate peace,' admitted Trump.
The president also stated that Putin told him he plans to retaliate against Ukraine after the recent attacks. 
'President Putin did say, and very strongly, that he will have to respond to the recent attack on the airfields,' Trump disclosed, without details about whether he pushed back on the Russian leader