Mass shooting LDS church Grand Blanc, Michigan, is gunman down.Church on fire

[argentus]

If you called yourself a house brick, would that make you one?

There are several Mormon doctrines that are considered heretical in Christianity and Judaism.

The LDS have redefined what they think "Christianity" is.

Ask yourself, if you agree to the Nicene Creed:

We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, the maker of heaven and earth, of things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the begotten of God the Father, the Only-begotten, that is of the substance of the Father.

God of God, Light of Light, true God of true God, begotten and not made; of the very same nature of the Father; by Whom all things came into being, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible.

Who for us humanity and for our salvation came down from heaven, was incarnate, became human, was born perfectly of the holy virgin Mary by the Holy Spirit.

By whom He took body, soul, and mind, and everything that is in man, truly and not in semblance.
He suffered, was crucified, was buried, rose again on the third day, ascended into heaven with the same body, [and] sat at the right hand of the Father.

He is to come with the same body and with the glory of the Father, to judge the living and the dead; of His kingdom there is no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the uncreate and the perfect; Who spoke through the Law, the prophets, and the Gospels; Who came down upon the Jordan, preached through the apostles, and lived in the saints.

We believe also in only One, Universal, Apostolic, and [Holy] Church; in one baptism with repentance for the remission and forgiveness of sins; and in the resurrection of the dead, in the everlasting judgement of souls and bodies, in the Kingdom of Heaven and in the everlasting life.

Matthew 24:5 - "For many will come in 'the name', saying, ‘I am the annointed,’ and will deceive many."

I think you should just accept your error with grace.   No harm to it.   Everybody makes mistakes.  You could argue circles around yourself, but you see, I've been there, lived among Mormons and I know who they are.  You aren't the first to take their writings, or cherrypick the Book of Mormon or even the writings of Jedediah Smith and twist them into something that isn't currently believed.   Consider how our understanding of the very context of "Christian" has changed over the centuries.  

I don't expect a confession from you.   I have no expectations.  You are wrong.  Have a great day, and good talking with you.

[UltraBudgie]

Is it really beyond the norm? seems kinda like business as usual. It's crazy I know. I wonder if it has anything to do with the Kirk assassination, I believe the shooter grew up Mormon. [Image: https://denyignorance.com//images/addsmilies/think.gif]

At the press conference the FBI said they're investigating it "as an act of targeted violence". What that may imply as far as motive is unclear, but it may very well not be political at all.

[IAMTAT]

At least ANNEE quoted a somewhat credible source.

ANNEE, herself, IS a very credible source as to the question of whether or not Mormons are Christians.
She is an expert source, in fact.

If you wish to continue further embarrassing yourself...just ask her why.

[ANNEE]

ANNEE, herself, IS a very credible source as to the question of whether or not Mormons are Christians.
She is an expert source, in fact.

If you wish to continue further embarrassing yourself...just ask her why.

I was Mormon for 5 years.  Loved it -- except for the religious part.

There used to be a site called:  Religious Tolerance.  Great site -- sadly gone now.

Technically if you believe Christ is your savior you are Christian.  

However, many "true" Christians don't agree.

[Unknownparadox]

Is it really beyond the norm? seems kinda like business as usual. It's crazy I know. I wonder if it has anything to do with the Kirk assassination, I believe the shooter grew up Mormon. [Image: https://denyignorance.com//images/addsmilies/think.gif]

It's beyond the norm for me. I know humans have always killed each other. Just like I know there has always been severe weather, among other things.

But there has been a uptick in a lot of things over the last 30-40 years. It's been slow but sure. If you're younger, then yeah it's normal. If you are older, most humans don't notice gradual changes.

For instance if a person had a couch sitting in a room with not much of a reference point, say a wall or table. You could move it a half inch every couple weeks or month, and you could probably move a foot or more before the average person would notice.

[Maxmars]

Seems like among all the things we face is the cold reality that you can't tell a person who they are.

Mormons may or may not consider themselves Christians... they may say they are...
To say they are not requires a rigidity of certainty about the soul of another that none of us have....
(well... if you do, I meant no offense.)

I mean to say of course they are not Christian to other Christian traditions...
Another question might be... "Do modern/hybrid religions have standing?"

There is no personal opinion in this statement.
Established institutions will always object.  OF course they must... literally.

But I think you and I cannot really be judges - especially since they might genuinely feel so...
behave so...maybe even more than Christians of virtue signaling... and if so - what the hell is anyone bitching about?

So there's that angle to play around with...

[vonclod]

At the press conference the FBI said they're investigating it "as an act of targeted violence". What that may imply as far as motive is unclear, but it may very well not be political at all.

Sure, time will tell..or not..it usually does.

[UltraBudgie]

So there's that angle to play around with...

there is also the angle of "what kind of monster would care more or less about innocent people being mowed down in a senseless act of violence, based solely on what the perceived validity of their particular religious and denominational alignment was?"

i'm not accusing anyone here of that, mind you, i'm just asking -- why does this matter?

[vonclod]

It's beyond the norm for me. I know humans have always killed each other. Just like I know there has always been severe weather, among other things.

But there has been a uptick in a lot of things over the last 30-40 years. It's been slow but sure. If you're younger, then yeah it's normal. If you are older, most humans don't notice gradual changes.

For instance if a person had a couch sitting in a room with not much of a reference point, say a wall or table. You could move it a half inch every couple weeks or month, and you could probably move a foot or more before the average person would notice.

I think of the frog in a pot, lets say over the last 20-30 years, politics, social media, bad to non existent mental health care..a lot of moving parts.

[chr0naut]

I was Mormon for 5 years.  Loved it -- except for the religious part.

There used to be a site called:  Religious Tolerance.  Great site -- sadly gone now.

Technically if you believe Christ is your savior you are Christian.  

However, many "true" Christians don't agree.

Luke 5:21b - "Who can forgive sins but God alone?"