Mass shooting LDS church Grand Blanc, Michigan, is gunman down.Church on fire

[putnam6]

Sometimes things happen in waves because of copy cat attacks/

But it’s often hard to explain so many similarities.

I think one thing many agree on is the rhetoric people have used for years now certainly doesn’t help the crazies. I can hop from X to 4chan to here no problem. Some can’t do that when they hear hyperbole like the civil war is already here.

The new manic and depressing movie from Leo isn't likely to help...I'll have to see it again, but my first impression was that it seemed odd and off.  Tries too hard to re-enforce the tropes

[Maxmars]

The new manic and depressing movie from Leo isn't likely to help...I'll have to see it again, but my first impression was that it seemed odd and off.  Tries too hard to re-enforce the tropes

[Video: https://youtu.be/feOQFKv2Lw4?si=jvjpGYasCAtI-ey1]

... and the Media machinery help with their timing....

I wonder what's in store for new entertainment this upcoming season?

Shall we take bets?

[putnam6]

... and the Media machinery help with their timing....

I wonder what's in store for new entertainment this upcoming season?

Shall we take bets?

Yeah and Im usually skeptical LOL it was the little things the flighty, frivolous piano playing throughout much of the movie seemed off for the drama and tone.

[MichSwampbuck]

If you are losing it and ready to go postal, why shoot up a school or a church? If you are that far gone and are going to perpetrate a mass shooting, why not kill the closest neighbors and people on your street? Shoot up everything and everyone nearby, starting with riddling your own home with bullets, seems more likely when someone finally snaps. Maybe you lose it at work, you don't need a gun to take out your coworkers, but you might just be packing the night you short-circuit.

But to plan in advance to do a church or a school is demonic in my opinion. It is downright evil.

[ANNEE]

If you are losing it and ready to go postal, why shoot up a school or a church? If you are that far gone and are going to perpetrate a mass shooting, why not kill the closest neighbors and people on your street? Shoot up everything and everyone nearby, starting with riddling your own home with bullets, seems more likely when someone finally snaps. Maybe you lose it at work, you don't need a gun to take out your coworkers, but you might just be packing the night you short-circuit.

But to plan in advance to do a church or a school is demonic in my opinion. It is downright evil.

Seems to me they often shoot -- schools -- church's -- jobs -- etc -- they went to or were someway connected to.

Which IMO makes it personal.

[DBCowboy]

Seems to me they often shoot -- schools -- church's -- jobs -- etc -- they went to or were someway connected to.

Which IMO makes it personal.

They shoot at deliberate gun-free zones.

So no one will shoot back.

[CriticalStinker]

If you are losing it and ready to go postal, why shoot up a school or a church? If you are that far gone and are going to perpetrate a mass shooting, why not kill the closest neighbors and people on your street? Shoot up everything and everyone nearby, starting with riddling your own home with bullets, seems more likely when someone finally snaps. Maybe you lose it at work, you don't need a gun to take out your coworkers, but you might just be packing the night you short-circuit.

But to plan in advance to do a church or a school is demonic in my opinion. It is downright evil.

You answered it in your first four words.

These people lost it, they don't do the logical thing. They're absolute psychos. 

If you really have that much energy and emotion against certain groups... Go join a military or find an effective voice. But the people who do things like this have hit a rock bottom none of us can understand. And I think, in their minds, this is a way for them to go out with "purpose". Ironically, it almost always does more damage to their cause than good. Maybe they get a few copy cat people afterwards, but that's best case. We always just remember them as the pieces of shit they were, unable to handle the simple facts of life we all accept and move on from.

[argentus]

... and the Media machinery help with their timing....

I wonder what's in store for new entertainment this upcoming season?

Shall we take bets?

Yes, but cryptocurrency only, please; don't want to dabble in reality TOO much 

[tarantulabite]

Michigan church shooter's romance history emerges as suspect's father apologizes to victims' families - LINK

Local city council candidate Kris Johns told Fox News that he spoke to Sanford just days before his attack and that the conversation veered toward extreme anti-Mormon rhetoric.

Sanford referred to Mormonism as "the anti-Christ" during their talk, Johns said.

 
Winter said she knew Sanford well and that he was considering joining the Mormon church in order to further his relationship with the girlfriend. She added that the woman's family was "pretty gung ho about the idea."

Despite all this, Winter said Sanford one day abruptly left without explanation.

Michigan church shooting suspect went on anti-LDS tirade, political candidate said - LINK

[EXETER]

So, almost all the people on the planet are mad?

Makes sense, I suppose.

We should also add the people who think this all came about by accident, too. That's not very rational, either.

Many, many years ago when I was working on getting a degree in Psychology, the question of what, exactly, defines sanity and insanity came up in class.  The famous Psychoanalyst Sigmund Freud was appealed to as an authority as saying something to the effect that sanity consisted of adhering--to the maximum extent possible--to the reality principle.  In other words, don't believe and act on stuff that's not real, no matter how emotionally appealing it might be.  Ultimately, this principle corresponds to the Scientific Method.  The Scientific Method does not claim to be able to produce all knowledge or absolute, final knowledge. It claims to eliminate false beliefs by testing them against reality using empirical facts and logically constructed experiments. As time goes by, and we eliminate more and more false beliefs, the pool of what's possible converges on a smaller and smaller set of options. 

The idea that all of creation came about by accident is itself a belief that can--at least in principle--be examined via the scientific method. I highly recommend a book on this subject titled "The God Hypothesis" written by a friend of mine, Bernie Haisch.  Bernie is a Ph.D. astrophysicist who started out in life to pursue a Catholic Priesthood  via the Seminary. In the course of getting his Ph.D. in astrophysics, he examined the mathematical consequences of believing that the universe was formed by chance, and showed how astronomically unlikely that is statistically compared to the simple idea that there is something we might as well call God.

I have no problem with people exploring and expounding the God Hypothesis.  But that's not what organized religions do.  They mostly claim it's a mystery that can only be understood by a few holy men (and in the Abrahamic religions, it's almost always men) who stand between you and salvation.  So if you become part of their flock, they will fleece you in return for giving you a hall pass to get into whatever version of Heaven they happen to have the franchise for.  They all rely on "holy books" written hundreds to thousands of years ago by committees of other "holy men", all of whom were mostly concerned with keeping the scam going. Organized religions are--with a few exceptions--the exact opposite of rational inquiry into the nature of spirituality.  By claiming that it's all a big, incomprehensible mystery, they are explicitly putting spirituality into the category of belief and not knowledge, and so our collective knowledge of spirituality will never really evolve beyond where it was a thousand years ago, if it is left to organized religions.  

Imagine if astrophysics operated in the same way; we would still be claiming that the Sun was actually a flaming chariot being driven across the sky every day by Apollo.

End of rant.