Israel approves plan to seize all of Gaza

[andy06shake]

What disaster does your crystal ball says happens if Hamas releases the hostages and surrenders?

Predicting obvious consequences now counts as mystical fortune telling? LoL

Put it this way, if Hamas surrendered tomorrow, Gaza wouldn't magically turn into Disneyland.

You'd likely see chaos, power struggles, possibly even a civil war.

Pretty much a deepening humanitarian collapse, while everyone argues over who runs the place.

[UltraBudgie]

Decades of blockade, occupation, and repeated wars didn't magically appear because Hamas woke up cranky one morning.

That's the reason for the "history started on October 7th" narrative. The question is, did October 7th cause Israel's genocidal brutality, or did Israel's genocidal brutality cause October 7th? Since we're not supposed to ask that, history started on October 7th and everything stems from that date.

[andy06shake]

That's the reason for the "history started on October 7th" narrative. The question is, did October 7th cause Israel's genocidal brutality, or did Israel's genocidal brutality cause October 7th? Since we're not supposed to ask that, history started on October 7th and everything stems from that date.

I suppose that's because conflicts tend to get boiled down to a single event, but the truth is always way more complicated.

Safe to say October 7th was a horrific and tragic event that cannot really be described in mere words, considering the atrocities committed..............but it didn't happen in a vacuum.

Years of occupation, blockades, and violence created deep frustration and pain on both sides.

Which is in no way an excuse.

But the question begs, when is enough, enough?

[UltraBudgie]

But the question begs, when is enough, enough?

Shrug. I'd love for everyone to get along and find peaceful coexistence.

Likely seem to be a population (what's left) squeezed into migrating to the Sinai Peninsula?

Anyway... that just kicks the can down the road. Which has been what's happening since 1948...

[Vermilion]

That's the reason for the "history started on October 7th" narrative. The question is, did October 7th cause Israel's genocidal brutality, or did Israel's genocidal brutality cause October 7th? Since we're not supposed to ask that, history started on October 7th and everything stems from that date.

That amount of victim blaming looks alot like antisemitism.
If that was your goal, well done I guess.
Would you be so kind and show us on the doll where that Jew touched you?

[andy06shake]

Shrug. I'd love for everyone to get along and find peaceful coexistence.

Likely seem to be a population (what's left) squeezed into migrating to the Sinai Peninsula?

Anyway... that just kicks the can down the road. Which has been what's happening since 1948...

As you say, many attempts have only postponed real peace. It's a tough path, both behind them and ahead.

They need to find a way to coexist, but how that happens remains to be seen.

God only knows where the trust will come from, considering what they have done to one another over the years.

Then again, look at the Troubles in Northern Ireland, decades of negotiation helped reduce the violence and build political cooperation over there at long last.

Not exactly the same situation, but it does inspire hope that peace can be achieved.

[DBCowboy]

Hamas is the flag that Gaza people fight under.

As long as they fly that flag, all are fair game.

[UltraBudgie]

Then again, look at the Troubles in Northern Ireland, decades of negotiation helped reduce the violence and build political cooperation over there at long last.

Not exactly the same situation, but it does inspire hope that peace can be achieved.

That is indeed an inspiring model! It does take two sides to make it happen though. Thanks.

[RickyD]

From the river to the sea
will now be all Israeli


After UNRWA fraud was exposed, it became inevitable that if there is no money to be embezzled, the rest of the Arab world doesn't want to be involved

I think it has to do with how leveraged their superpower allies are right now. Russia and China don't have the incintive/bandwidth to spare. Israel seeing the opportunity is going in for the kill. They will likely flush out Hamas for now at the cost of a lot of innocent lives. They will never be done fighting though as you can't kill ideas...like them or not. Same reason it didn't work out for anyone who invaded Afghanistan. The idea never dies...it just waits till you relax and give it room to appear again.

[putnam6]

I think it has to do with how leveraged their superpower allies are right now. Russia and China don't have the incintive/bandwidth to spare. Israel seeing the opportunity is going in for the kill. They will likely flush out Hamas for now at the cost of a lot of innocent lives. They will never be done fighting though as you can't kill ideas...like them or not. Same reason it didn't work out for anyone who invaded Afghanistan. The idea never dies...it just waits till you relax and give it room to appear again.

If you kill enough of the right people, it doesn't matter what the remaining ideas are...

You know, like kicking the can down the road