Donald Trump found guilty on all counts in ‘hush money’ trial

[putnam6]

We have to endeavor to take the emotions and partisanship OUT of the equation. It's not easy at all but for me Ive been trying to go back to when I was essentially apolitical. LOL Probably till around Hiliary's run LOL, I don't know if anybody recalls but I know I was happy to have Obama instead of HRC, still am, LOL... perspective.

The worst thing about yesterday is it set the precedent, hell in some circles we were told Trump's impeachment was semi-payback for Clinton's...you can extrapolate where I am going...

All I know is in the 70s both sides didn't want to prosecute Nixon and they worked towards letting the country heal. The two parties aren't even coming close to understanding you CAN NOT leave a country in constant strife and division.

Our politics and governmental proceedings were NOT supposed to be in the limelight and daily news, it was supposed to operate in the background and as an enhancement to our lives, not an annoyance or a hindrance. 

But my general feeling is we are being run militarily and/or departmental, which is probably not a bad thing. 

We need a reset, a restart, a reimaging of our election cycle where we get maximum voter participation because we DON"T have complete apathy about the extremely flawed candidates the two parties offer.

[Maxmars]

We have to endeavor to take the emotions and partisanship OUT of the equation. It's not easy at all but for me Ive been trying to go back to when I was essentially apolitical. LOL Probably till around Hiliary's run LOL, I don't know if anybody recalls but I know I was happy to have Obama instead of HRC, still am, LOL... perspective.

The worst thing about yesterday is it set the precedent, hell in some circles we were told Trump's impeachment was semi-payback for Clinton's...you can extrapolate where I am going...

All I know is in the 70s both sides didn't want to prosecute Nixon and they worked towards letting the country heal. The two parties aren't even coming close to understanding you CAN NOT leave a country in constant strife and division.

We need a reset, a restart, a reimaging of our election cycle where we get maximum voter participation because we DON"T have complete apathy about the extremely flawed candidates the two parties offer.

But I came to the conclusion (I'll save you the verbosity) that the legal system has been changed by it's constituents.  Of course, this cannot last for these people are all mortal.  Our answer should bear out in oversight which we cannot allow the establishment to "man with political appointees" as we have done for decades.  I'm not sure how that could work unless our representatives stop obeying "the unaccountable party" and start obeying the actual citizens at large.  The conduct of the media has made that more difficult... with the whole "true journalism is old-fashioned" thing.

The fix starts by excluding their performance-driven narrative from the actual decision-making.  I don't think the thespian core in politics and the producers in media want that... ever.

[putnam6]

the legal system has been changed by it's constituents.  Of course, this cannot last for these people are all mortal.  Our answer should bear out in oversight which we cannot allow the establishment to "man with political appointees" as we have done for decades.  I'm not sure how that could work unless our representatives stop obeying "the unaccountable party" and start obeying the actual citizens at large.  The conduct of the media has made that more difficult... with the whole "true journalism is old-fashioned" thing.

The fix starts by excluding their performance-driven narrative from the actual decision-making.  I don't think the thespian core in politics and the producers in media want that... ever.

City, County, and State jurisdictions are always going to have wider extremes, thus even though this verdict seems extrajudicial our systems of appeals should clarify or rectify the case in due course. 

WE can not jump off the horse mid-stream, we have to let the process play out. 

which reminds me of the story from the 50s I read in The Straight Dope, true or not it highlights our democracy can sometimes be bent toward the will of the less informed.

https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sl...t/147418/2

Sometimes arcane and high-falutin’ words can be used as weapons. No one knew this better than former Senator Claude Pepper of Florida. In 1950, Pepper, a three-term incumbent, ran for re-election and faced off against Congressman George Smathers in the Democratic primary. Smathers launched an infamous smear campaign against Pepper that today sounds more like a fake political ad from Saturday Night Live.
Smathers outed Pepper as “a known extrovert,” his sister as a “thespian,” and his brother as a “practicing homo sapien.” He accused Pepper of practicing “nepotism” with his sister-in-law and of “matriculating” with young women in college. Worst of all, he “practiced celibacy” before marriage.
Naturally, voters were horrified, and Pepper lost by over 67,000 votes. (To be fair, Smathers denied the story until the end of his Senate career in 1971, perhaps fearing that his own homo sapien past would come back to haunt him.)

Interview with Claude Pepper. He does not mention it.
http://www.history.ufl.edu/oral/FP30.html 2

He recalls that in the election of 1950, six senior senators were defeated, including himself, over the liberal issues of national health insurance, civil rights, liberal attitudes favoring labor, minimum wage, and adequate hospital and medical care.

An analysis of the election, which does not mention it.
http://www.folioweekly.com/archives/old%...page7.html

 

Sometimes arcane and high-falutin’ words can be used as weapons. No one knew this better than former Senator Claude Pepper of Florida. In 1950, Pepper, a three-term incumbent, ran for re-election and faced off against Congressman George Smathers in the Democratic primary. Smathers launched an infamous smear campaign against Pepper that today sounds more like a fake political ad from Saturday Night Live.
Smathers outed Pepper as “a known extrovert,” his sister as a “thespian,” and his brother as a “practicing homo sapien.” He accused Pepper of practicing “nepotism” with his sister-in-law and of “matriculating” with young women in college. Worst of all, he “practiced celibacy” before marriage.
Naturally, voters were horrified, and Pepper lost by over 67,000 votes. (To be fair, Smathers denied the story until the end of his Senate career in 1971, perhaps fearing that his own homo sapien past would come back to haunt him.)

Interview with Claude Pepper. He does not mention it.
http://www.history.ufl.edu/oral/FP30.html 2

He recalls that in the election of 1950, six senior senators were defeated, including himself, over the liberal issues of national health insurance, civil rights, liberal attitudes favoring labor, minimum wage, and adequate hospital and medical care.

 

There were overtones of McCarthyism in Smathers’ campaign. A booklet emphasizing Pepper’s past associations with the far-left, including known communist organizations and party members, was circulated in the late days of the campaign. It emphasized the “Red Pepper” theme, a Pepper sobriquet gleaned from an earlier article in the Saturday Evening Post. By 1950, most Americans recognized the threat posed by the Soviet Union, and Pepper’s actions seemingly on its behalf was a source of dismay to many, and treasonous to others. That, coupled to the strong opposition of the business community, unions, and the medical profession gave Smathers the victory. Pepper was defeated by more than 60,000 votes.

So, you tell me. Smathers denies it, Pepper himself and a fairly serious analysis of the election don’t mention it. That’s about as far as I got.
I don’t think Florida voters were that ignorant in 1950, so if I had to guess, I’d guess that it’s just a “humorous rustics” story repeated by columnists.

 

[K218b]

You are assuming the convention was proper and legal. We will not know that until the appeal is over.

I haven't made any assumptions.
Look at the opening page.

Coming back to what you said earlier.
The conversation can be civil in comparison to other sites, I don't think it's that difficult.

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You aren't American.
What do you care ??

Regardless of who I am and where I come from, I can still comment and have an opinion. Using the same argument you (if you are American) cannot comment on Russian issues and politics or the war in the middle East as you are neither Russian or Israeli/Arab.

[727Sky]

A sham trial, a kangaroo court, election interference by the Biden administration.

 

Welcome to Biden's America and the most corrupt FBI, DOJ, in my life time..... I should add ATF too !

That probably made some government list !!

[LogicalGraffiti]

Welcome to Biden's America and the most corrupt FBI, DOJ, in my life time..... I should add ATF too !

Which, if we're being honest, is a lot like Obama's America but taken up a notch.  It was during that administration that division between regular  Americans became vigilant.

[MykeNukem]

You aren't American.
What do you care ??

I'm not either, but unfortunately the shitshow in the States effects the shitshow here, so...

[MykeNukem]

So far, everyone in this thread is practicing civility though. That's honestly about as much as can be expected, and really my only goal. I don't expect us all to agree.

Same.

Neither do I.

In fact, I think we can expound on that...let's open a politics forum and see how long that lasts?

hehe...

love ya bro 

 

[Maxmars]

Make it work.  The larger issue is far too important to allow silence to win out.

When such a thing is possible, is it not clear that it must be discussed?

Most of us seem to be on the point of not getting buried in the "sides" issue.  Screw them.  Screw them all.  This isn't about sides, it's about something else.

A freindly voice once said to me... "Focus on the "stated reasons" "they" do what they do... that's where the real problem is. If there is a lie, that's where the lie has to be."

Disregard the trappings... it is all in one way or another a production... Is it "outrageous" According to some, yes.  Is it "just desserts?" According to some, yes. 

The underlying questions (in my opinion) are about just how "lost" is the justice system... can it truly be politically weaponized while the citizens just stand apart and "watch?" Is the media combine not directly complicit of at least naked exxploitation?  Is the association of all the judges and lawyers not cognizant of the problem, where are our true officers of the court?  What exactly does "due process" mean anymore?  There's so much to be ashamed of here, that we ourselves, the spectators must consider some of that is actually on us.

Furthermore, we can't afford to waste time decrying the hateful players in this script... we need to address it's authors.  And don't kid yourselves... it's not gonna be very easy figuring who that actually is.

There's a conspiratorial angle for anyone who as waiting on it!

[Byrd]

The next phase will be interesting.

There will be appeals, of course, but Merchan has done a lot to forestall some of the obvious ones -- including asking the New York supreme court if he should recuse himself (unanimous decision was "no".)

I think the appeals will fail because he was so well prepared.  They certainly won't do well if the lawyers let Trump direct the process -- that was part of the reason that the defense failed to prove that the accusation was hollow.  I don't think he'll see jail time; I'm expecting sanctions and fines.

BUT (here's the interesting thing) -- how do we prevent this situation in the future?  What steps need to be taken to assure the public that the person they elect for president is not involved in criminal acts?

(if you hate Hillary/Obama/Bush/Biden/Carter/etc, what should be done to make certain that the person who becomes president has a clean record?)

Should the parties have some sort of vetting system?

On the national level, should there be a security clearance pass first before they can run for president?

What say you?