IOC to ban transgender women from all female Olympic events

[quintessentone]

1% is probably about its limit. So probably not getting back to you. 

Being 10% of 10% it fits a self-regulatory homeostasis pattern, like left-handed and ambidextrous..

I think transathletes has a limit of impact placed by biology, if it helps.

No matter what a transperson does there will always be that asterisk placed on their accomplishments. Especially if in a competitive sport that is judged against biological females where limitations of the body are acknowledged. 

There really is no "heralded olympian future" for transathletes, because woke goes right out the window in the name of fairness if you take a biological female's spot for a transathlete with a noted physical advantage. Almost every time. 

There the limitation is imposed. It will always be imposed so long there is a want to see the best female that exists.

I wanted to smack people going after Katie Ladecky unjustly because apparently no one has ever seen a biological female with a very built upper body before. And she's still 20 seconds slower than the guys.

So as much as i am open and embrace transgender diversity and acceptance, when it comes to top competitive sports, I want to see the top biological females own it.

Like how would I feel if The NWSL added a transathlete on Wave FC (go Sirens!). It would tarnish the legacy of Alex Morgan and Naomi Girma.  1. It would NEVER happen, 2. It would highlight the limit of my wokeness.

As there is still the Ginger Rogers/Fred Estaire bumpersticker in play when it comes to competitive women's sports.

It's been bandied around that transgender athletes should be given their own category(ies), what do you think about that?

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

i dont know if I support that.  Between fairness and outcasting.  Its another conundrum like embracing their identity and fully supporting it vs. wanting to see girls do everything boys can do. 

Its like saying "1A 2B 3C 4D" and making a woke feminist's head explode.  

Because it contrasts two types of gender role subversions side by side.  The one where Ginger Rogers does everything Fred Estaire does, only backwards and in high heels, and the one where Fred Estaire decides she wants to walk backwards and in high heels too after a lifetime of secretly envying Ginger.

[DBCowboy]

Back in the ATS days, I had some leftist argue with me for WEEKS, because I wouldn't take a knee for George Floyd.

I refuse to take a knee to the trans crowd or the LGB crowd either.

Live your life however you want.

Just don't ask me to support or promote it.

*shrugs*

[UltraBudgie]

Live your life however you want.

Just don't ask me to support or promote it.

Weak-kneed libertarian permissiveness.



Have you figured out that doesn't work yet? You're going to end up like that stubborn guy with the little house surrounded by concrete and and highways, choking in the smog of your little backyard. Fact is, a healthy society is everyone's problem, and tolerance does not help. Just refusing to "support or promote" is not enough any more. I'm asking you to oppose.

[Maxmars]

Compelling someone to virtue signal has always been a matter of rights versus privileges.

Some people (like me) think "I'll be damned if you are going to oblige me to pay homage to
something of yours that I disagree with!"

I am offended that your 'issue' means "I" owe some kind of gesture to you.

I find it personally offensive... but then I feel that about a lot of things in society...
and to simply function in it, I must withdraw from the offense to me.

Unless I want to call it out, make it a point of contention...
and if it goes far enough, I will.

So this whole thing features me trying my damnedest to recall to the dialogue that
these aren't "objects" we are talking about... that there is a dimension to the matter
that both "politics" and "religion" simply ignores... for the sake of "optics."

This really revolves around something so deeply personal and so immensely delicate,
given the circumstances... as activist in our our social community only make it worse...
and the media - as usual - not "helping" but actually exacerbating the friction for show.

"Bannings" should be reserved for dangers, and other harmful things... not people.

Simply say that if you wish to compete... disclose 'physical measurable' reality...and compete thusly.

Making a special category for transgender athletes could be a trap... all manner of slippery crap
gets into it.... "Hormones as physical therapy" have already caused terrible claims of unfairness.
and that's just the beginning... people who choose a transgender life as opposed to people
for whom it is a 'medical' outcome.... those are two different things... and will perform differently.

I think this is not a black hole of despair for many... but it is, for some.

[DBCowboy]

Weak-kneed libertarian permissiveness.



Have you figured out that doesn't work yet? You're going to end up like that stubborn guy with the little house surrounded by concrete and and highways, choking in the smog of your little backyard. Fact is, a healthy society is everyone's problem, and tolerance does not help. Just refusing to "support or promote" is not enough any more. I'm asking you to oppose.

I'll oppose indoctinating children.

I'll oppose change language and making me say things I don't believe.

I'll oppose being forced to accept it as normal.

[UltraBudgie]

I'll oppose indoctinating children.

I'll oppose change language and making me say things I don't believe.

I'll oppose being forced to accept it as normal.

It's a start. Thank you.

[Maxmars]

I'll oppose indoctinating children.

I'll oppose change language and making me say things I don't believe.

I'll oppose being forced to accept it as normal.

And I will stand with you.

No one "defines" reality for me.

[quintessentone]

i dont know if I support that.  Between fairness and outcasting.  Its another conundrum like embracing their identity and fully supporting it vs. wanting to see girls do everything boys can do. 

Its like saying "1A 2B 3C 4D" and making a woke feminist's head explode.  

Because it contrasts two types of gender role subversions side by side.  The one where Ginger Rogers does everything Fred Estaire does, only backwards and in high heels, and the one where Fred Estaire decides she wants to walk backwards and in high heels too after a lifetime of secretly envying Ginger.

Athletics and the thrill of competition and hopefully winning is a whole other thing, I know because  I was one a long time ago. So, I don't care what body an athlete is in because an athlete's desires aren't like anything else.