Commentary on the Bob Lazar Tape

[quintessentone]

The whole story was a spiders web of lies, and half truths. Also, you can learn to pass a lie detector test, or maybe Bob believed what he was being shown, and told?!?

Well Bob never changed his story, so it looks like he totally believed it happened.

[Kurokage]

Well Bob never changed his story, so it looks like he totally believed it happened.

That always made me think he was either a patsy or part of the cover story for something else.

[DanZarfati]

I'm at the point where I'm both believer and skeptic all in one, but I'll keep on plugging along until more information is available to go one way or the other.

man, you want to get deeper into Lazar's narrative, then I welcome you to read this text here

https://www.mediafire.com/file/bvgzlrcsg...r.pdf/file

[Kwaka]

man, you want to get deeper into Lazar's narrative, then I welcome you to read this text here

Good overview. Part of the controversy is what motivated Bob to go public and what repercussions resulted. For everyone in that kind of work it is made very clear that strong penalties apply in breaching confidentiality.

For Bob to go public as an act of self preservation is a reasonable move on his part. For the government to kill or incarcerate him after that would only further validate his claims. Similar to Phil Schneider and others.

So instead a different approach was taken to delete his academic history and try to discredit his character. With Bob coming across as a smart, genuine guy, his reputation is standing strong in the test of time.

Maybe there is a lot more to it in terms of psychological war to distract the Russians or an internal push for disclosure? Or maybe it just is what it is with all involved trying to navigate the maze of national security as best they can?

[quintessentone]

man, you want to get deeper into Lazar's narrative, then I welcome you to read this text here

https://www.mediafire.com/file/bvgzlrcsg...r.pdf/file

Maybe we should delve deeper in to what George Knapp thinks about Lazar's claims?

"Knapp - No apology necessary. Fair question. There are many unanswered questions about Bob and some of the "proof" that helped convince me he is being truthful is hard to explain. That was a strange time, and you almost had to be there to understand some of it. We were followed. I know this because two of the guys who drew that assignment later admitted it to me after they left their employment. And the phones were tapped. I know this because 6 people who called with offers to give me information were visited, one right after the other, by people claiming to be from the government, reminding them that they were still subject to security regulations.

One lady who worked in the court system here had her life threatened. In addition, there were a lot of things that Lazar claimed--and was first to allege--that later turned out to be true. One example--the Wednesday night flights of s glowing saucer shaped craft above Papoose Lake. He said they would happen, and they did, as witnessed three weeks in a row and recorded on video. I fully understand why people would have doubts--because I had the same doubts, and still harbor a few. My gut feeling is that Bob Lazar told the truth as he knows it, but whether that story is the objective truth might be another matter. It was one heck of a strange ride. (There are many other things he knew which have been confirmed and I will go into them later if you want.)”

Remember back then, debunkers or government Intel (?) ran wild with twisting context to make everyone look like crazies.

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Lazar's claim he doesn't know where they come from:

"Back in 1989, Bob Lazar found himself in serious trouble, though he didn’t immediately disclose the details. As a last resort, he decided to go to the press, giving an interview to Las Vegas reporter George Knapp. Using the pseudonym "Dennis" and speaking under dimmed lighting to conceal his identity, Lazar shared a startling story that would change the course of UFO discourse.

“Exactly what’s going on up there?” Knapp asks.“Well, there’s several, actually nine, er, flying saucers—flying discs—that are out there that are of extraterrestrial origin,” (...) “They’re basically being dismantled. Some are, well, in various stages of completion, built from other parts, and they’re being test-flown, and basically just being analyzed. Some of them are 100 percent intact and operate perfectly. The other ones are being taken apart. I was involved mainly in propulsion and the power source. ... As far as I can remember, about half of them do operate, and the other half are just being torn down, basically to analyze the components.”

‘Where did we get these saucers? How did they come into the hands of the government?” asked the interviewer. “I haven’t the slightest idea, and you have to understand that the information is very compartmentalized, and I was only allowed information that pertained to what I was involved in.”“But I mean, couldn’t our government have made them, as opposed to getting them from some alien beings?” asked Knapp.“Totally impossible,” replied Dennis. “The propulsion system is a gravity propulsion system; the power source is an antimatter reactor. This technology does not exist at all. In fact, one of the reasons that I’m coming forward with this information [is that] it’s not only a crime against the American people, but it’s also a crime against the scientific community, which I’ve been part of for some time, actively trying to duplicate these systems. Yet, they are in existence now and basically in the hands of the government.”"

Lazar's claim they are not made on Earth:

"“Will the government ever tell us about the testing, and do the Soviets know about this?”“The Soviets were involved at some specific point,” Dennis continued. “They were kicked out of the program rather abruptly in the middle. I don’t know why that was, or what happened. They're not very happy about it, and as far as them revealing it, I’m sure that they have every intention of claiming that all the technology was developed here [on Earth], which it was absolutely not.”

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So, are these his exact words? You know how secondhand and thirdhand information can get lost in interpretation.

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Anybody ever read this book?:

"Bob also described encountering a highly unusual book, which he recounted in an interview with Michael Lindemann’s book UFOs and the Alien Presence.

According to Bob, the book seemed to be made by the aliens themselves: “It was certainly odd, in that it was written from another point of view. It was like a history book of us, like someone had been looking at the earth and written a brief history of what had happened, and how everything living here looked, so on and so forth. (...)

As you turned the page it would be a picture of, for instance, an old adobe house and as you moved the page up, you'd see through the different levels of the house, almost like those little 3-D things you bend and see different views, but it was very smooth and clear, much higher resolution. I'd just never seen anything like that. I don't know if it actually exists anywhere, or if we're talking about something of alien origin, but as you turn the page, you can see the superstructure, and then down to the wood itself, then the foundation.

There again, there were no references to people. Everything was ‘containers.’”(...) “What they were talking about was the desirability of containers, and that the containers were not damaged. Now, people speculate on containers. Are they talking about containers of souls, something bizarre like that; or is it the opposite? Is the container the soul, and it contains the body? Extremely, extremely unique…”[158] The last revelation was the one that left the deepest impression on Bob: the idea that our bodies are merely vessels for the soul. But what exactly is the soul? For the aliens, it seemed to be more than just superstition or speculation—it was something tangible, perhaps even measurable."

(Strange that John Lear was on about souls being housed as well...but which he believed through remote viewing which can be problematic considering human bias.)

Why Bob flip flopped on whether the crafts were first thought of being Earthly made, then second thought that they could not be made by us (or could they have been? we are smart cookies and if the technology was classified, we wouldn't really know much about their advancements.

"As Bob was granted access inside the hangars, he saw nine different UFOs. He initially believed he had uncovered the source of all the flying saucer sightings—that it was all man-made technology. This was his belief until he was allowed to enter one of the craft. The craft resembled the classic “sports model,” similar to the UFOs seen in Billy Meier’s famous photos. When Bob ventured inside, he noticed the craft’s interior was unusually small, clearly designed for beings much smaller than humans. He found no obvious controls or panels. It was at that moment—utterly shocking to him—that he realized the briefing papers had been genuine, preparing him to interact with technology from otherworldly beings."

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"It’s my belief that “we,” as humans, cannot operate ET UFOs. These crafts are configured for their users, likely controlled through brainwaves or connected to a network of force fields with hyperdimensional links, making them inaccessible to us. Their "machines" are probably encrypted to function only under specific conditions. Furthermore, they seem to exist outside our typical time and space, possibly warping reality in a way that disrupts our cause-and-effect understanding (more on this in later chapters). For us to fly one of these crafts, it would need to be specially configured for our use.

Yet, there’s a paradox: How could Bob predict an authentic UFO to fly out of the mountains and put on a show for John Lear and his friends? This is the crux of the situation because it strongly supports Bob’s credibility.

True, there are other supporting elements, but this is a significant one.There are, however, aspects of his story that seem overblown, like the description of captured UFOs. I’m not entirely sure if those details are accurate. The internal dynamics at the base and the literature given to him may have had some embellishments. Moreover, it appears that Bob Lazar didn’t have the educational background he claimed. This puts him on par with figures like Jesse Marcel, who also exaggerated his titles and credentials.

Why they felt the need to do this, I can’t say, nor do I have any clear answers. Two common, simplistic objections often arise. First, “He lied about his education, so nothing he says is true,” or, “We can’t trust anything else—this is ridiculous!” If you think this way, that’s your prerogative, but it doesn’t reflect the complexities of reality. People sometimes exaggerate certain parts of their story, especially regarding their qualifications, while still conveying the core truth of their experiences. I believe this is what happened here.

The second concern is equally naïve, filled with incorrect assumptions. It’s the idea that companies like those working with the military only want people with credentials from places like Caltech or MIT. Wrong—they want people who think outside the box. Bob fit that profile perfectly; they wanted a hands-on, innovative approach, and that’s exactly what Bob brought. In fact, this makes his story more believable to me. What I’ve learned is that highly intelligent people can earn degrees from any university, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they’re truly innovative. They might just be good at following directions and repeating what they’ve been taught—thinking “inside the box.” This kind of mentality is why we often get stuck in our current paradigms. More on this will be discussed in upcoming chapters."

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So, Lazar could have simply been speculating of how the craft could only be operated by aliens via brainwaves or whatever - he really didn't know and people should not have run wild with that speculation thinking it was a fact.

Lazar's propulsion invention impressed others, so why is it such a wild idea or impossible to believe that he would not have impressed the military?

"There was also the partial vindication of Element 115. Initially dismissed as nonsense, it was later proven to exist, though not necessarily in the way Bob claimed (e.g., being used by aliens). Additionally, several minor details about Area 51 and S-4 turned out to be accurate, such as the layout of badges and the location of entrances. While these details weren’t critical, they did suggest that Bob was indeed present at the site for a period of time. It’s hard to argue otherwise."

See the issue, Bob's interpretation or speculation was not quite on the right track, but just the fact that he was on a track that actually was later to be proven close to fact, well that should say something about his scientific theorizing.

(I'm pretty sure I posted less than 50% of the text provided earlier.)

[ANNEE]

I've watched more recent interviews with him and I suppose the reason why nobody comments any more is because we've said it all regarding Bob's experiences, and nothing can be proven.

Bob reminds me of someone on the Autism Spectrum. 

If you've lived with someone who is Autistic as long as I have (17 years) you pick up subtleties.  

In my experience -- they don't lie -- but they do embellish -- and may see things differently.

Also, an Autistic may have a single focused ability.  I think it's very possible that Bob could have been recruited for one specific task -- he wouldn't have had to have any degrees.  And as he says -- it was very compartmentalized.

He's never changed his story -- as he sees it.

My personal opinion is "off planet beings" have been here all along.

[quintessentone]

Bob reminds me of someone on the Autism Spectrum. 

If you've lived with someone who is Autistic as long as I have (17 years) you pick up subtleties.  

In my experience -- they don't lie -- but they do embellish -- and may see things differently.

Also, an Autistic may have a single focused ability.  I think it's very possible that Bob could have been recruited for one specific task -- he wouldn't have had to have any degrees.  And as he says -- it was very compartmentalized.

He's never changed his story -- as he sees it.

My personal opinion is "off planet beings" have been here all along.

Even if Lazar self-proclaimed himself a physicist, from what I could see of the diploma'd ones back then, they were all stuck in the super string theory maze with no way out because perhaps government wanted to keep it that way (?), his out of the box seeing things differently may have had insights into the advancement of propulsion methods, or he actually was hired to reverse engineer an alien craft's propulsion system where he mentioned an alien material he named 'Element 115' back in 1989.

Then, afterwards, they found an unstable form of Element 115 in 2003, which was nonexistent at that time.

As for off planet beings being here for a very long time, yes, and I'm leaning more towards hybrids and as I recall the issue was to tweak the process so they appeared more human-like so as to blend into society better.

[stealthskater]

I archived a lot of Lazar's interviews at https://www.stealthskater.com/Lazar.htm .  I find it hard to believe that Edward Teller would allow his interview to be on the Lazar video.  It almost seems like he and Lazar were in cahoots to divert attention from something else.  The same has been said about the Roswell tale.  Namely that it was invented to try to make Russian spies around Roswell Army Base surface.  But the only people who believed it was the American public.

Of course, Lazar could be honestly describing what he saw although that could have been manufactured by Hollywood types.  Lazar's description of the gravity amplifiers could have been told to him by his superiors.  If so, he can't be personally blamed for the scientific shortcomings. 

He had engineering experience to attach a jet engine to a Honda.  He was more of an engineer than a physicist.  He may have been terminated from his role as a lab assistant at the Meson Particle Physics Lab for using too much governmental materials for his own personal experimentations.

[ANNEE]

As for off planet beings being here for a very long time, yes, and I'm leaning more towards hybrids and as I recall the issue was to tweak the process so they appeared more human-like so as to blend into society better.

Yes agree — agree on the hybrids. 

Don’t want to get off topic too much but to me the Terra Papers make total sense — if you open your mind. 

So, absolutely I belief crafts from off planet are here and being studied. As we are being monitored and studied.

[quintessentone]

Yes agree — agree on the hybrids. 

Don’t want to get off topic too much but to me the Terra Papers make total sense — if you open your mind. 

So, absolutely I belief crafts from off planet are here and being studied. As we are being monitored and studied.

I mean how would we know if we were off topic or not with decades and decades of Bob Lazar interviews.

Should we stick with the one tape?

Where would that get us without further exploration?

If you hadn't noticed, I'm into human evolution nature's way but why dismiss human evolution the ET way?

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"During the podcast, George Knapp discussed Bob Lazar and mentioned that Lazar was told while working on “the program” that humans were viewed by extraterrestrials as “containers of souls.” This may sound bizarre and fictional to many people; however, Lazar can be seen saying the exact same thing in his 1989 interviews. (Source)"

"He then goes on to say that he read in a report that the aliens see us as “containers” and that religion was specifically created so we have some rules and regulations for the soul purpose of not damaging the containers. He then goes on to suggest that Jesus and two other beings were supposedly genetically engineered."

Journalist Reveals Bob Lazar's Astonishing Claim: Extraterrestrials See Humans as 'Containers of Souls'

And by clicking on the 'source' link above, it brings us right back to The Lazar Tapes (read the comments on that video too)

The Lazar Tape and Excerpts from the Government Bible - YouTube

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If you read the comments, it's plain to see how Lazar's meaning and context was misconstrued or twisted for whatever reason. Lazar never said 'containers of souls', just 'containers' or 'vessels', but he also said he did not know what that meant.