S4: The Bob Lazar Story

[andy06shake]

An oldie but a goodie.

Im watching the new "S4: The Bob Lazar Story" and just wondered if anyone else is.



Obviously, the story centers around his claim that he worked at a site called S-4 near Area 51 in the late 1980s.

Where he alleges he helped reverse-engineer an alien craft powered by the mysterious element 115.

Critics argue that his education and employment history are inconsistent.

And supporters believe he's revealed hidden truths about UFO technology.

He's a controversial dude, sitting between a whistleblower and a conspiracy figure.

Thoughts and opinions welcome...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Lazar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscovium
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt37605896/

[quintessentone]

I am not willing to pay to watch it because it seems it's more of an historical perspective of what has already transpired, so I'll wait until it becomes free because I think that I've followed the Lazar story since the beginning and followed many of Lazar's interviews with various hosts. However, I am posting the most recent Rogan interview with Lazar about the recreation of S4. Lazar says the final product is 'mind blowing' he also says it is as if the film's creators downloaded everything right from his (Bob's) mind.

Rogan said the last interview with Lazar gave his site the most views of any other interview with any other person to date.

Here is the Rogan podcast:

[andy06shake]

I am not willing to pay to watch it because it seems it's more of an historical perspective of what has already transpired, so I'll wait until it becomes free because I think that I've followed the Lazar story since the beginning and followed many of Lazar's interviews with various hosts. However, I am posting the most recent Rogan interview with Lazar about the recreation of S4. Lazar says the final product is 'mind blowing' he also says it is as if the film's creators downloaded everything right from his (Bob's) mind.

Rogan said the last interview with Lazar gave his site the most views of any other interview with any other person to date.

Here is the Rogan podcast:

[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb_1d68vx-g]

Makes sense if you've followed Lazar for years.

As you can tell, the story isn't new, it's just repackaged, with some modern bells and whistles.

The real question is whether any verifiable evidence has improved...

And it's still the same situation.

Compelling narrative, where you want it to be true.

But no hard, testable evidence...

[quintessentone]

Makes sense if you've followed Lazar for years.

As you can tell, the story isn't new, it's just repackaged, with some modern bells and whistles.

The real question is whether any verifiable evidence has improved...

And it's still the same situation.

Compelling narrative, where you want it to be true.

But no hard, testable evidence...

Well, when the staff making this movie were looking at old maps of the area of Papoose Lake, where S4 would have been, one map from 1941 shows a road going into a silver mine. Why not use an existing underground facility if you have one asks Rogan and Lazar? Bob's staff said they would send Joe Rogan a copy of the 1941 map. Maybe someone here has great map finding skills, please try to find it so we can compare what was there and what is no longer there.

None of this is in the movie but the producer wished it was put in.

Supposedly (via Reddit discussion) the map was updated in May 1989 perhaps the exact time or rather a few days later after Bob decided to and did make all of this public. The editing date will vary from the release date most likely.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOB/comments/1...was_right/





"Bob Lazar first went public on May 1989, when he gave an interview to investigative reporter George Knapp on Las Vegas TV station KLAS, initially using the pseudonym "Dennis" and keeping his face hidden.  He revealed his true identity and appeared on camera on November 10, 1989, during a subsequent broadcast titled "UFOs: The Best Evidence." This second appearance, where he was unmasked and discussed his alleged work at the secret S-4 facility near Area 51, marked the full public revelation of his claims." (LLM)

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I believe Lazar's interview date with Knapp at KLAS was exactly on May 15th, 1989, and on the map was updated and/or approved for release on May 23, 1989 with the road to the silver mine supposedly removed.

[andy06shake]

Well, when the staff making this movie were looking at old maps of the area of Papoose Lake, where S4 would have been, one map from 1941 shows a road going into a silver mine. Why not use an existing underground facility if you have one asks Rogan and Lazar? Bob's staff said they would send Joe Rogan a copy of the 1941 map. Maybe someone here has great map finding skills, please try to find it so we can compare what was there and what is no longer there.

None of this is in the movie but the producer wished it was put in.

Supposedly (via Reddit discussion) the map was updated in May 1989 perhaps the exact time or rather a few days later after Bob decided to and did make all of this public. The editing date will vary from the release date most likely.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOB/comments/1...was_right/

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"Bob Lazar first went public on May 1989, when he gave an interview to investigative reporter George Knapp on Las Vegas TV station KLAS, initially using the pseudonym "Dennis" and keeping his face hidden.  He revealed his true identity and appeared on camera on November 10, 1989, during a subsequent broadcast titled "UFOs: The Best Evidence." This second appearance, where he was unmasked and discussed his alleged work at the secret S-4 facility near Area 51, marked the full public revelation of his claims." (LLM)

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I believe Lazar's interview date with Knapp at KLAS was exactly on May 15th, 1989, and on the map was updated and/or approved for release on May 23, 1989 with the road to the silver mine supposedly removed.

You sound like a fountain of knowledge on the topic. 

[ARM1968]

Lazar is interesting. Records can be erased or altered. His story has never wavered. Is he legitimate?  I have no idea, except he’s right about their propulsion system - anti-gravity. They operate in a bubble of their own space/time effectively, a local field outside of ours. That’s what the generator and grav drive achieve. Be a very long time before we back engineer that.

[ArMaP]

I believe Lazar's interview date with Knapp at KLAS was exactly on May 15th, 1989, and on the map was updated and/or approved for release on May 23, 1989 with the road to the silver mine supposedly removed.

Is that what the stamp is supposed to mean?

[andy06shake]

Lazar is interesting. Records can be erased or altered. His story has never wavered. Is he legitimate?  I have no idea, except he’s right about their propulsion system - anti-gravity. They operate in a bubble of their own space/time effectively, a local field outside of ours. That’s what the generator and grav drive achieve. Be a very long time before we back engineer that.

It's fair to find Lazar interesting, i have since the early 90s.

And his consistency is unusual.

But consistency isn't evidence as much as we would like it to be.

Also, claims about "anti-gravity and spacetime bubbles" sound a bit like stretching General Relativity(like curvature or warp metrics) into something far beyond what's scientifically supported.

As far as im aware, we have yet to witness the likes of controlled anti-gravity or local spacetime isolation.

And even the theoretical ideas like wormholes, Alcubierre drives, etc.

All require exotic energy we've never seen.
 
I mean it's not entirely impossible in principle.

Which makes the fella's tale so interesting.

But right now it's storytelling, not science as we know it.

And curiosity is good, but evidence wins the race...

[quintessentone]

Lazar is interesting. Records can be erased or altered. His story has never wavered. Is he legitimate?  I have no idea, except he’s right about their propulsion system - anti-gravity. They operate in a bubble of their own space/time effectively, a local field outside of ours. That’s what the generator and grav drive achieve. Be a very long time before we back engineer that.

Lazar said he hopes they never back engineer that because just looking at how we humans behave, namely warmongering, that that specific technology should never be accessible to us because it would give one country complete world domination.

[quintessentone]

Is that what the stamp is supposed to mean?

Well that is what the movie's producer and his sister are implying, that just after Lazar's first public interview with Knapp and the discussion of Papoose Lake site, the map was reprinted days later with the road to the silver mine deleted. Lazar actually stated that he is not a conspiracy theorist and that his only interest is in the technology so he always falls back on saying that he just does not know about much about the conspiracy side of this or does not want to go down those rabbit holes.

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On a side interest of Lazar's:

In the Rogan interview Lazar mentioned bismuth (with magnesium) as something that should be looked at as it was close to Element 115 on the periodic table.

"Bismuth (symbol Bi, atomic number 83) is a brittle, post-transition metal with a lustrous, silvery-white appearance that often develops a rosy or iridescent oxide tarnish.  It is the most diamagnetic of all metals and possesses one of the lowest thermal conductivities among metals, alongside high electrical resistivity"

"Key physical and chemical properties include:

• Density: Approximately 9.8 g/cm³ (at 20°C), making it about 86% as dense as lead. 
  
• Melting and Boiling Points: It melts at 271.5°C (520.7°F) and boils at 1564°C (2847°F).
  
• Expansion on Solidification: Unlike most metals, bismuth expands by 3.32% when it freezes, a property utilized in low-melting alloys and casting. 
  
• Crystal Structure: It naturally forms a rhombohedral lattice and can grow distinctive, colorful hopper crystals with a spiral, stair-stepped structure.
  
• Toxicity: It is considered relatively nontoxic for a heavy metal, leading to its use as a lead substitute in applications like cosmetics, pharmaceuticals (e.g., Pepto-Bismol), and ammunition. 
  
• Radioactivity: Its only primordial isotope, bismuth-209, is technically radioactive with an alpha decay half-life of roughly 2.01 × 10¹⁹ years, far exceeding the age of the universe." (LLM)
  
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  "While diamagnetism exists in every substance, it is typically too weak to observe unless the material lacks stronger magnetic properties like paramagnetism (attraction due to unpaired electrons) or ferromagnetism (strong attraction).  In rare cases, such as with pyrolytic carbon or superconductors, the effect is strong enough to allow for stable magnetic levitation."
  
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"Bismuth and magnesium can be combined to form alloys and composites that improve mechanical properties, corrosion resistance, and battery performance.  The two elements react to form the intermetallic compound Mg₃Bi₂, which is thermally stable up to 821 °C and enhances the creep strength of magnesium alloys at elevated temperatures."

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I'll bet that rumination of Lazar's is not in the movie.