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(09-11-2025, 07:56 AM)CriticalStinker Wrote: The only thing I’d add is I think people should be cautious in “the response”.
I’ve seen a lot of calls to find the broader mechanisms to hold responsible such as MSM and social, or even the broader left like Nancy Mace said.
For one, it’s too early to talk about in my opinion. We don’t even have a suspect. I think it’s a fair gamble to assume why this happened, but it’s just that, a gamble.
The other is I’ve seen many times something tragic happen and people want to go after who they believe stoked the flames. That’s just a far less violent way of doing the same thing someone likely did here. Not the answer.
Its just odd to me that we live in a time where people have more of a voice because of the internet, and yet people struggle to use ideas and words more than when we didn’t have it.
It's called coping skills. Some people have them, some people don't. Some who don't have coping skills spiral out of control, and all kinds of mayhem occur, personal and sometimes public
The one constant we don't address is the mental health aspect, and when meltdowns occur, we collectively double down with the hyperbole that sets people off
thats if this is really a lone nutter... the longer we have no answers, the less likely it's a lone nutter
If it's not, it's a whole other can of worms
His mind was not for rent to any god or government
Always hopeful yet discontent, knows changes aren't permanent
But change is
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Clay Travis was absolutely spot on about Obama.
You can draw straight line from Obama’s presidency to Charlie’s assassination.
He created the activist culture of getting in people's faces, yelling at relatives and literally demonizing political opposition.
He normalized the usage of veiled threats under the guise of free speech and made it the lefty norm.
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(09-11-2025, 08:13 AM)Vermilion Wrote: Clay Travis was absolutely spot on about Obama.
You can draw straight line from Obama’s presidency to Charlie’s assassination.
He created the activist culture of getting in people's faces, yelling at relatives and literally demonizing political opposition.
He normalized the usage of veiled threats under the guise of free speech and made it the lefty norm.
"Demonising political opposition"?
Doesn't MAGA do precisely that?
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope. Nothing...
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(09-11-2025, 08:11 AM)putnam6 Wrote: It's called coping skills. Some people have them, some people don't. Some who don't have coping skills spiral out of control, and all kinds of mayhem occur, personal and sometimes public
The one constant we don't address is the mental health aspect, and when meltdowns occur, we collectively double down with the hyperbole that sets people off
thats if this is really a lone nutter... the longer we have no answers, the less likely it's a lone nutter
If it's not, it's a whole other can of worms
Update: At the press conference right now they’re saying they tracked the dude on the roof into a neighborhood and have good video footage of him that they are not releasing right now.
They’ve got footprints, palm prints and forearm prints too.
“He blended in well and appears to be college age.”
“We have images of the suspect.”
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Gun recovered...bolt-action.
Plenty of video images of the suspect.
Suspect is of "college age".
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FBI has hand prints and facial images of suspect.
They will ID him.
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EXCLUSIVE: This morning my team received an e-mail from officer at ATF.
The email included a screen shot from what appears to be an internal message describing a weapon and cartridges located by an ATF and other law enforcement near the scene of the Charlie Kirk shooting at Utah Valley State University.
"On September 10, 2025, at approximately 12:24PM, Conservative political influencer Charlie Kirk was shot and killed at the Utah Valley University in Orem, UT. Mr. Kirk was speaking at the University as part of the American Comeback Tour. Multiple SLC I and III agents responded immediately. The suspect fired one shot from an elevated position on a rooftop in an adjacent building on the campus and surveillance video shows the suspect, jumping off and fleeing the area on foot. ATF and other law-enforcement located an older model imported Mauser .30-06 caliber bolt action rifle wrapped in a towel in a wooded area near the campus. The location of the firearm appears to match the suspects route of travel. The spent cartridge was still chambered in addition to three unspent rounds at the top fed magazine. All cartridges have engraved wording on them, expressing transgender and anti-fascist ideology. An emergency trace has been submitted an ATF SLC is working leads generated by the trace. The firearm and ammunition have been taken by the FBI for DNA analysis and fingerprint impressions. Upon completion of forensics, the firearm will be disassembled for additional importer information. Multiple people of interest having contacted or detained because of eyewitness testimony and review of video footage. The primary suspect is yet to be identified. ATF is assisting the investigation with multiple other federal, state, and local partners and the case is co-led by the FBI and Utah SBI.""
https://x.com/scrowder/status/1966118431511433267
“All cartridges have engraved wording on them, expressing transgender and anti-fascist ideology.”
Hardly surprising.
An angry intersectional lefty.
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(09-11-2025, 08:19 AM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: "Demonising political opposition"?
Doesn't MAGA do precisely that?
When? Are you kidding me? Stating facts is not demonizing. Far from it. A totally innocent man is killed and people like you, and others, want to blame him for is own death and blame a sitting president.
This is how sick the world has become.
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(09-11-2025, 08:32 AM)matafuchyou Wrote: When? Are you kidding me? Stating facts is not demonizing. Far from it. A totally innocent man is killed and people like you, and others, want to blame him for is own death and blame a sitting president.
This is how sick the world has become.
I didn't say anything remotely like that.
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope. Nothing...
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(09-11-2025, 08:30 AM)Vermilion Wrote: EXCLUSIVE: This morning my team received an e-mail from officer at ATF.
The email included a screen shot from what appears to be an internal message describing a weapon and cartridges located by an ATF and other law enforcement near the scene of the Charlie Kirk shooting at Utah Valley State University.
"On September 10, 2025, at approximately 12:24PM, Conservative political influencer Charlie Kirk was shot and killed at the Utah Valley University in Orem, UT. Mr. Kirk was speaking at the University as part of the American Comeback Tour. Multiple SLC I and III agents responded immediately. The suspect fired one shot from an elevated position on a rooftop in an adjacent building on the campus and surveillance video shows the suspect, jumping off and fleeing the area on foot. ATF and other law-enforcement located an older model imported Mauser .30-06 caliber bolt action rifle wrapped in a towel in a wooded area near the campus. The location of the firearm appears to match the suspects route of travel. The spent cartridge was still chambered in addition to three unspent rounds at the top fed magazine. All cartridges have engraved wording on them, expressing transgender and anti-fascist ideology. An emergency trace has been submitted an ATF SLC is working leads generated by the trace. The firearm and ammunition have been taken by the FBI for DNA analysis and fingerprint impressions. Upon completion of forensics, the firearm will be disassembled for additional importer information. Multiple people of interest having contacted or detained because of eyewitness testimony and review of video footage. The primary suspect is yet to be identified. ATF is assisting the investigation with multiple other federal, state, and local partners and the case is co-led by the FBI and Utah SBI.""
https://x.com/scrowder/status/1966118431511433267
“All cartridges have engraved wording on them, expressing transgender and anti-fascist ideology.”
Hardly surprising.
An angry intersectional lefty.
...and he was shot right after he started discussing transgender killers.
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