3rd shooting in Minnesota.

[ReturnofBroccoli]

ICE has its own vetting division called its Personnel Security Division (PSD) the details are on ICE's web site (which mentions that investigations into employee backgrounds are performed by contracted vendors):

Personnel Vetting Determinations at ICE


I can assure you that with the adoption of international standards for length, a mile is still exactly a mile, measured anywhere in the world.

Also, Australia is 2,485 miles East to West and 2,290 miles from North to South. I have taken a drive, once, from Sydney to the Top End of Queensland that took several days there, and several days back, at highway speeds. It is not something I have the stamina to ever repeat.

I was under the impression that the rest of the world used Kilometers and figured you were just thinking in those terms, my mistake. I suppose it was just relative then that it isnt long for me as it is for you. To me 250 miles is nothing really. I mean I travel 90 miles to get groceries sometimes. Edit: 180 miles because I forgot the 90 was only 1 way lol

Anyway, this department within ICE uses federal standards *they are suppose to* which involves the fbi *this is fact* however, it seems that they are clearing people before its even returned which is a huge no no and not something other agencies do. Im beginning to think we are both right, in either case that needs to end immediately because it breaks trust and obviously makes everyone look bad. If I had the power id smash it immediately but im a nobody :( im sorry this is happening thank you for helping me to see it. This also backs up what I told wallflower though about manpower, the entire system is understaffed at every level. Superiors desperate to meet quotas filling their ranks with bile this is sad. For what it's worth, there are some good people out there still. Try not to look at a couple bad apples and judge everyone though know what I mean?

To sum up:
I know im right on policy but i dont think its being followed

[PorkChop96]

I'd argue that any non-law enforcement person that carries a firearm in public, is a retard - just asking to be shot by another retard or by law enforcement.

That is because you are as closed minded as you are ignorant on the subject matter. But no worries, let me see if  I can explain it in a simple enough way you might be able to comprehend it. 
 

But you have previously argued that carrying is protective. This situation is one of many that disproves that fantasy.

You are of the belief that only one thing can be true about an action/situation. If you have taken any sort of formal CCW training, as Pretti should have had to since he held a permit, you know that when you are carrying you are not to insert yourself into a situation that he did. When you carry and you get put yourself in that type of situation, your gun becomes anyone's gun. You are trained not to put yourself in that situation, Pretti clearly ignored that part of his training. 

And you cheered Kyle Rittenhouse for doing the same thing. Some consistency, please!

There is only 1 similarity between this case and Rittenhouse, that being, that they both had a gun at a protest. That is it.


Kyle was invited there to protect businesses. He only acted when he was confronted by a felon kiddy toucher, and when he did it was in self defense. He then proceeded to retreat and get to the police, he was then confronted by more rioters where he was assaulted with a skateboard, rocks, and even had a gun drawn on him. He then acted in self defense again, retreated again to police and surrendered to them with his hands in the air and did not resist. 


Pretti took a gun to a "protest", inserted himself into police business (which is against the law to begin with), then when he was being arrested for committing that crime resisted, WITH A GUN ON HIS PERSON, and that led to the events that led to his death. 


There are absolutely no similarities to these stories. Rittenhouse did what he was there to do, protect himself and the businesses of a town he grew up in. Pretti did the exact opposite of what he was there to do. Plain and simple

 

Pretti didn't draw or fire his weapon, he just had it, and the fact that the 'law enforcement' had disarmed him prior to illegally shooting him in what they said was 'self defence' is a further proof of another of America's stupid laws. One that allows murderers to go free, all they have to do is claim self defence.

you have obviously not watched any of the videos have you? Pretti was disarmed by another agent, that did not announce he had disarmed him. Another agent announced there was a gun, there was a ND by the agent who had disarmed Pretti, and the other agents reacted poorly to that. 

None of the agents in that pile, other than the one who disarmed Pretti, knew he no longer had a gun on him and when a shot was fired, not from an agent, agents fired in response. 

Now, listen very close to what I am saying here.   This shooting did not need to happen and is tragic that it occurred. The agents acted on training when a shot was fired while they were wrestling with a man that was, in their minds, still armed. Again, the disarming agent did not make the others aware he had done so.   The agents should not have fired their weapons, that is a given. Pretti should not have interfered with federal agents in performance of their duties, that is also a given. Pretti losing his life is tragic, it was unnecessary and preventable on all sides. 


I am not going to touch on that last part because it is more of your unhinged rant about "the US needs to take all your guns away because derp derp derp"

[angelchemuel]

Depends on where he was carrying. Even if he was carrying outside the waistband, if it was in a "4 O'clock" or "kidney position" it would be out of sight. Add to that it's Winter and heavy clothing with a long coat and it's much harder to spot.


ETA - That video shows Pretti a week before the shooting. He may not have been carrying that day and it begs the question : Why was he armed at the 2nd encounter ? It's said he had a broken rib from the prior incident, so was he out for vengeance ?

Remember, his family said he never carried, even though he had a permit. Not "sometimes" or "rarely" they said Never.

Nurse or not, that guy anger and control issues.


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You can see he is clearly carrying in that new video that was the incident prior to his shooting.
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[FlyersFan]

The widely used picture of Pretti in his scrubs with the American flag is a fake.

AI was used to make him more tan, change the face, change the nose, change the ears,
change the hairline ...

AI was used to make him 'pretty' so he could be an anti-Ice poster boy.   

The real Pretti looks skinny and boney and pale and with sharp features instead of 
the AI generated manly features.

Photo of Pretty Altered by AI to look more pretty - click here

The edited picture boosted the saturation and made Pretti appear a few shades more tan than he actually was. It reshaped virtually every aspect of his face, including the angle of his jaw, the bent of his nose, and his hairline.  Some speculated that whoever altered the picture to begin with was trying to make Pretti look more “pretty” so he could seem like a more appealing “poster boy” for the anti-ICE movement.

[putnam6]

The widely used picture of Pretti in his scrubs with the American flag is a fake.

AI was used to make him more tan, change the face, change the nose, change the ears,
change the hairline ...

AI was used to make him 'pretty' so he could be an anti-Ice poster boy.   

The real Pretti looks skinny and boney and pale and with sharp features instead of 
the AI generated manly features.

Photo of Pretty Altered by AI to look more pretty - click here

 

Dwayne "the Rock" Johnson 

Is Alex Pretti
in
One Battle After Another 2.0
The Minnesota Meltdown

[MrGashler77]

Their title is Immigration and Customs Enforcement. They are miles from any border and aren't at a any other port of entry for goods or personnel, in suburban Minnesota.

They are as much 'the police or the FBI' as mall security, or Parks and Wildlife, or Animal Control.

The domain of the operations and authority of ICE is clear and does not cover the arrest or harassment of people who have not committed infractions against immigration and customs laws.

I feel confident in saying that because there are already real actual police officers and real actual FBI officers there, in all the locations where ICE have operated., still doing their jobs, and still investigating crimes, and making arrests and still, also, drawing their wages.

Additionally, I have a strong suspicion that many ICE officers were once members of far-right domestic terrorist groups. The background checks for other existing agencies would have outed and excluded them but ICE fits their racist agendas. So they have become a tool of the far-right, and not non-partisan officers serving the letter of the law.

ICE Recruiters Are Using Neo-Nazi Memes and Seeking Out Extremists at Gun Shows

ICE keeps giving exclusive access to right-wing and right-leaning influencers

ICE Admits Collusion with Far-Right Blacklists to Target Pro-Palestinian Voices

The far-right have definitely embraced ICE.

Anti-ICE rally chases off US far-right influencer Jake Lang in Minneapolis

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. ICE and most other law enforcement agencies have generally broad authority to detain and/or arrest people who break the law even if the law they broke is not within the general purview of their agency.

[MrGashler77]

I got a question for you: What authorized a use of force in this situation? Use of force being that he was taken down to the ground in the first place which is the beginning of the use of force. Then after we establish that, at what point was deadly use of force authorized.

If we're going by the general notion that any form of placing your hands on a person constitutes use of force, detainment with handcuffs and/or affecting an arrest would be a use of force and I don't think they really need to justify the use of force in that context. 
If we're going by the more reasonable notion that placing anyone under arrest who is not fully cooperating with LEO commands(turn around and put your hands behind your back), taking him to the ground would authorize the use of force.
Adding in the fact that the man resisted in any way while having a firearm kicks the level of authorized use of force up several notches.

I get the impression you've been through use of force training just like I have, so you understand that you have to interpret the situation without the advantage of hindsight. It has to be interpreted from the perspective of a reasonable person in the situation itself while only having the same information that the person in that situation would have. A person can go from face down on the ground resisting arrest while still having a firearm accessible to taking a persons life in seconds. I would imagine you also understand how difficult it can be for anyone, even people with a significant amount of training, to interpret every last detail of a situation in the moment with absolute clarity. Then you had in the possibility that the firearm had discharged, as that specific firearm is known to do, the reaction by the agents is more than reasonable. Is it good? Absolutely not. A person lost their life, but the idea that it was an execution is absolute nonsense.

[Kurokage]

I think this will only help the situation and de-escalate some of these confrontations (whether you believe they're agitators or demonstrators) 
https://knewz.com/kristi-noem-humiliated-new-ice-order/

Noem humiliated by new ICE order
Beleaguered Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem has been "utterly humiliated" as her authority was completely undermined in the aftermath of the killings of two American citizens by ICE agents.
Following Border Czar Tom Homan's replacement of Gregory Bovino — commander of the Trump administration's city-by-city immigration enforcement operations — ICE agents were given new orders to ignore protesters they call "agitators" and arrest only "criminal migrants."

Under Homan, ICE has been directed to only target immigrants who have criminal charges or convictions — a complete departure from the much more vague and violent enforcement tactics that left two Americans dead.
"DO NOT COMMUNICATE OR ENGAGE WITH AGITATORS," read an email to ICE agents, according to The Daily Mail. "It serves no purpose other than inflaming the situation. No one is going to convince the other. The only communication should be the officers issuing commands."
He promised "the mission is going to improve" and said they would conduct "strategic, targeted" operations.

[Oldcarpy2]

I think this will only help the situation and de-escalate some of these confrontations (whether you believe they're agitators or demonstrators) 
https://knewz.com/kristi-noem-humiliated-new-ice-order/

Which they should have done from the start?

[putnam6]

It wasn't a joke.

Alex Pretti was killed by US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) agents, on the roadside outside of 2610 Nicollete Ave, Minneapolis, Minnesota, a distance of 276.75 miles as the crow flies from the Canadian border.

Renee Good was killed by an Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agent at at the intersection of Portland Avenue South and East 34th Street in Minneapolis, Minnesota, a distance of 244.25 miles as the crow flies from the Canadian border.

As I previously said, both were miles outside of their jurisdiction and appear to have been working outside of their remit, as well.


The FBI do not do background checks for ICE agents.

ICE and CBP are under the authority of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and are not answerable to the FBI, who are under the Department of Justice (DOJ).

ICE have their own vetting of applicants and recently that vetting process has been called into question.

Some new ICE recruits have shown up to training without full vetting

How do ICE vetting and background check processes work, and where have they failed in the past?

I also have no fear of arrest from any US agency, as I am an Australian citizen who has been resident in New Zealand for more than 21 years, and they have no authority here. I also obey the law, scrupulously.

It would be highly unusual for ICE and CBP to deploy new recruits into high activism areas 

In fact, the border has been so secure that they have been able to redeploy veteran CBP into other areas,

BTW officers get loaned from one department to another department all the time, one department takes the lead, and ALL officers are required to operate under the current mission guidelines