Plane collides with Blackhawk helicopter Washington DC

[MonkMode]

YOU are the only one saying they didn’t know where the bridge was. They knew exactly where it was. Misidentifying traffic isn’t even close to the same as not knowing where the bridge is.

The voice on the radio was the instructor. He was the Pilot Monitoring, so he was doing all the radio work.

There was an approaching plane with bright lights just south of the Woodrow bridge exactly when ATC said there was. Yes you agree the PAT25 operators must have known where the bridge is. And the instructing pilot? confirmed sight. Then there is no excuse to fly into the plane!

[Zaphod58]

There was an approaching plane with bright lights just south of the Woodrow bridge exactly when ATC said there was. Yes you agree the PAT25 operators must have known where the bridge is. And the instructing pilot? confirmed sight. Then there is no excuse to fly into the plane!

And that plane turned away from them, leaving one behind it very close to where that one was first identified. They instructor confirmed they had sight of *A* plane where they were told the CRJ was. Good to know you’ve never lost sight of or misidentified anything in your life.

[MonkMode]

And that plane turned away from them, leaving one behind it very close to where that one was first identified. They instructor confirmed they had sight of *A* plane where they were told the CRJ was. Good to know you’ve never lost sight of or misidentified anything in your life.

Have you reviewed the below footage? Pause it at 1:32.



You can clearly see only JIA5342 is just south of the Woodrow bridge exactly when ATC says it is.

There is another plane a ways behind JIA5342.

Is that why you are trying to excuse PAT25, for thinking the plane behind the plane was the only plane there?

[Zaphod58]

Have you reviewed the below footage? Pause it at 1:32.

[Video: https://youtu.be/CiOybe-NJHk?si=qT4hv6vQIoblw34r]

You can clearly see only JIA5342 is just south of the Woodrow bridge exactly when ATC says it is.

There is another plane a ways behind JIA5342.

Is that why you are trying to excuse PAT25, for thinking the plane behind the plane was the only plane there?

Jesus Christ reading comprehension really is dead isn’t it.

I’m. Not. Excusing. Anything. Thinking that you’re utterly wrong for claiming that they deliberately flew into the plane isn’t excusing anything. Good god.

Yet again, the CRJ turned away from PAT25. The crew of PAT25 wasn’t flying with their eyes locked on to the CRJ. Once it turned, they would have seen the second plane near the bridge and misidentified it as the CRJ.

The helicopter crew never knew they changed runways as they were on a different frequency. They looked straight ahead for the CRJ, not off to the side. So they saw lights ahead of them, where they were expecting the CRJ, and most likely summed it was them. This was an accident not a deliberate act.

[MonkMode]

Jesus Christ reading comprehension really is dead isn’t it.

I’m. Not. Excusing. Anything. Thinking that you’re utterly wrong for claiming that they deliberately flew into the plane isn’t excusing anything. Good god.

Yet again, the CRJ turned away from PAT25. The crew of PAT25 wasn’t flying with their eyes locked on to the CRJ. Once it turned, they would have seen the second plane near the bridge and misidentified it as the CRJ.

The helicopter crew never knew they changed runways as they were on a different frequency. They looked straight ahead for the CRJ, not off to the side. So they saw lights ahead of them, where they were expecting the CRJ, and most likely summed it was them. This was an accident not a deliberate act.

Get real. There is no way PAT25 couldn’t see the plane dead south of them, but could see the plane also dead south of them, and further back. That is utterly implausible.

I have to wonder why there is such an apologist effort here.

This is like plowing through a red light because there is a green light at the intersection at the next block.

Furthermore the helicopter crew were told JIA5342 was heading to runway 33, and ATC did communicate with PAT25 on UHF. Do you want to correct your statement? I told you the very time stamp to pause at so you could determine this. I have to wonder about the willful ignorance being displayed here.

[Zaphod58]

Get real. There is no way PAT25 couldn’t see the plane dead south of them, but could see the plane also dead south of them, and further back. That is utterly implausible.

I have to wonder why there is such an apologist effort here.

This is like plowing through a red light because there is a green light at the intersection at the next block.

You do understand that planes move right? And runway 33 is a different direction than runway 01 right? And that to get from 01 to 33 means that plane has to move right?

I have to wonder why so many people that don’t know a damn thing about aviation are suddenly experts on all things aviation, but can’t even understand the basics.

[MonkMode]

You do understand that planes move right? And runway 33 is a different direction than runway 01 right? And that to get from 01 to 33 means that plane has to move right?

I have to wonder why so many people that don’t know a damn thing about aviation are suddenly experts on all things aviation, but can’t even understand the basics.

Repeatedly you have been shown PAT25 was told exactly where JIA5342 was, and that it was approaching runway 33. That you keep bringing up the switch from runway 1 to runway 33 is beside the point.

Seeing a bright beacon in a clear sky, knowing which direction south is, having knowledge of a famous landmark, acknowledging sight of these details when clearly asked, these are all pretty basic, especially for trained pilots.

I have to wonder about the integrity of any expert who isn’t suspicious when trained pilots fail these basic tests.

[Zaphod58]

Repeatedly you have been shown PAT25 was told exactly where JIA5342 was, and that it was approaching runway 33. That you keep bringing up the switch from runway 1 to runway 33 is beside the point.

Seeing a bright beacon in a clear sky, knowing which direction south is, having knowledge of a famous landmark, acknowledging sight of these details when clearly asked, these are all pretty basic, especially for trained pilots.

I have to wonder about the integrity of any expert who isn’t suspicious when trained pilots fail these basic tests.

The change to 33 is the KEY to this accident. If you can't understand that why are you even talking about this? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about, but you keep opening your mouth and proving it. The CRJ changed from straight on to the UH-60, to side on to the UH-60, which completely changes their ability to see it. If you can't understand that, then there's no point in continuing this conversation.

[MonkMode]

The change to 33 is the KEY to this accident. If you can't understand that why are you even talking about this? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about, but you keep opening your mouth and proving it. The CRJ changed from straight on to the UH-60, to side on to the UH-60, which completely changes their ability to see it. If you can't understand that, then there's no point in continuing this conversation.

No it isn’t. You are employing a red herring tactic. Anybody with critical thinking skills who doesn’t blindly worship experts can see this.

The change to runway 33 was already decided by the time PAT 25 was warned exactly where JIA5342 was, just south of the famous Woodrow bridge, flashing its beacon.

PAT25 then went on a brazen collision course with JIA5342, after confirming visual! There is no excuse for it losing sight of JIA5342, and it is ridiculous to say it saw the plane behind JIA 5342, but couldn’t see JIA5342.

Not only did PAT25 blind side JIA5342, but it blind sided ATC, who would have had to immediately identify PAT25’s likely malicious intent or unbelievable incompetence to warn JIA5342 in time.

[Zaphod58]

No it isn’t. You are employing a red herring tactic. Anybody with critical thinking skills who doesn’t blindly worship experts can see this.

The change to runway 33 was already decided by the time PAT 25 was warned exactly where JIA5342 was, just south of the famous Woodrow bridge, flashing its beacon.

PAT25 then went on a brazen collision course with JIA5342, after confirming visual! There is no excuse for it losing sight of JIA5342, and it is ridiculous to say it saw the plane behind JIA 5342, but couldn’t see JIA5342.

Not only did PAT25 blind side JIA5342, but it blind sided ATC, who would have had to immediately identify PAT25’s likely malicious intent or unbelievable incompetence to warn JIA5342 in time.

You really don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about, but god you really do like to try to sound like an expert. You've never been in a cockpit, let alone in a situation where you have to identify something several miles away, but by god you know exactly what they were thinking and what they did. Anyone that knows what they're talking about knows how wrong you are, but that won't stop you. 

It doesn't matter if it was decided by the time PAT25 was warned about them, because PAT25 was on a different frequency so never knew that they were changing runways. When they looked away, the CRJ was no longer in front of them, but was to their left, with their lights no longer pointing directly at them. Go find somewhere that has night vision goggles and try using them, and learning something instead of trying to sound like you know better than everyone else, and are some kind of genius when it comes to aviation safety and what happened here. Maybe you'll learn that vision through them, especially when something is dim, with a lot of other light sources around, is extremely difficult if not impossible.

But hey, you know best! You already know exactly what happened. You should release your report and solve this, and save everyone a ton of time and money, and help all the families out! Who knows, maybe you'll become the new go to person for aviation safety!