yet this is done with daycare centres and operating rooms
and even delivery drivers have cameras that record them now

and certainly police have more interactions that may violate privacy
like people's domestic disputes, medical emergencies, etc
and i'm not convinced those bodycams aren't pretty fisheye

anyway not to derail the thread too much
i'm not trying to debate
but i think it's an interesting topic

(07-16-2025, 07:33 PM)UltraBudgie Wrote: yet this is done with daycare centres and operating rooms
and even delivery drivers have cameras that record them now

and certainly police have more interactions that may violate privacy
like people's domestic disputes, medical emergencies, etc
and i'm not convinced those bodycams aren't pretty fisheye

anyway not to derail the thread too much
i'm not trying to debate
but i think it's an interesting topic

I am 100% in favor of them and have been for years. It’s one of the things that piss me off about unions.

(07-16-2025, 06:23 PM)Zaphod58 Wrote: Their excuse is that it’s an invasion of privacy and could be used to damage too many reputations or against pilots in lawsuits.

That's just silly.

I would have thought the safety aspects and information gathering purpose would have outweighed the damage to reputations nonsense by now.

Guess it will come in time, or i hope so.

The camera in the cockpit was done at American Airlines many years ago but all were removed after a DC-10 lost an engine on take off killing everyone.

Quote:Megyn Kelly is joined by aviation experts Captain Steve, Whiz Buckley, and Patrick Smith to discuss new evidence suggesting the Air India crash was a deliberate act by the pilot, how the sequence of switch movements raises suspicions, why a criminal investigation may be opened, and more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_A...Flight_191

I never liked or flew the DC-10.... I did fly the MD-80 for a few years and got off the aircraft as soon as a decent bid came out for me to exit off that aircraft.  271 people on board the DC-10 were killed, two employees at a nearby repair garage were also killed, and two more were severely burned.[sup][1][/sup]

Quote:Since the cockpit had been equipped with a closed-circuit television camera positioned behind the captain's shoulder and connected to view screens in the passenger cabin, the passengers may have witnessed these events from the viewpoint of the cockpit as the aircraft dove towards the ground.[sup][11][/sup][sup][12][/sup] Whether the camera's view was interrupted by the power loss from the number-one electrical bus is not known.[sup][13][/sup] The aircraft eventually slammed into a field around 4,600 feet (1,400 m) from the end of the runway.[sup][1][/sup][sup]: 2 [/sup] Large sections of aircraft debris were hurled by the force of the impact into an adjacent trailer park, destroying five trailers and several cars. The DC-10 also crashed into an old storage hangar at the edge of the airport at the former site of Ravenswood Airport. The aircraft was destroyed by the impact force and ignition of a nearly full load of 21,000 US gallons (79,000 L; 17,000 imp gal) of fuel; no sizable components other than the engines and tail section remained.[sup][14][/sup]

The Indian pilots union, after releasing a highly emotional statement against western media, have now announced they are taking legal action against them for daring to suggest that the Captain may have deliberately cut off the fuel to the engines.

(07-20-2025, 09:45 AM)Zaphod58 Wrote: The Indian pilots union, after releasing a highly emotional statement against western media, have now announced they are taking legal action against them for daring to suggest that the Captain may have deliberately cut off the fuel to the engines.

This Is Exclusive: WSJ's Blame The Dead Pilot Agenda, Capt Sabharwal's Coursemate Breaks Silence


This video is from three days ago. The WSJ story was driven by whom? The optics are that story are off IMO as a former US INTEL guy since retired

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDaJa3IrIdo

(07-20-2025, 10:22 AM)Waterglass Wrote: This Is Exclusive: WSJ's Blame The Dead Pilot Agenda, Capt Sabharwal's Coursemate Breaks Silence


This video is from three days ago. The WSJ story was driven by whom? The optics are that story are off IMO as a former US INTEL guy since retired

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDaJa3IrIdo

It’s based on the preliminary AAIB report. The EAFR recorded the switch position moving to cutoff on both switches with the second moving one second after the first. They were put back to run ten seconds later for the left engine, and four seconds after that for the right. 

The Captain reportedly had been dealing with depression and mental illness for years, and had taken leave for it, as well as losing his mother in 2022, And was looking at returning to care for his ill father.

(07-20-2025, 10:40 AM)Zaphod58 Wrote: It’s based on the preliminary AAIB report. The EAFR recorded the switch position moving to cutoff on both switches with the second moving one second after the first. They were put back to run ten seconds later for the left engine, and four seconds after that for the right. 

The Captain reportedly had been dealing with depression and mental illness for years, and had taken leave for it, as well as losing his mother in 2022, And was looking at returning to care for his ill father.

Two huge excepts direct from the report: 

The FAA issued Special Air worthiness Information Bulletin (SAIB) No. NM-18-33 on
December 17, 2018, regarding the potential disengagement of the fuel control switch locking
feature. This SAIB was issued based on reports from operators of Model 737 airplanes that
the fuel control switches were installed with the locking feature disengaged. The airworthiness
concern was not considered an unsafe condition that would warrant airworthiness directive
(AD) by the FAA. The fuel control switch design, including the locking feature, is similar on
various Boeing airplane models including part number 4TL837-3D which is fitted in B787-8
aircraft VT-ANB. As per the information from Air India, the suggested inspections were not
carried out as the SAIB was advisory and not mandatory. The scrutiny of maintenance records
revealed that the throttle control module was replaced on VT-ANB in 2019 and 2023.
However, the reason for the replacement was not linked to the fuel control switch. There has
been no defect reported pertaining to the fuel control switch since 2023 on VT-ANB.

The aircraft achieved the maximum recorded airspeed of 180 Knots IAS at about 08:08:42
UTC and immediately thereafter, the Engine 1 and Engine 2 fuel cutoff switches transitioned
from RUN to CUTOFF position one after another with a time gap of 01 sec. The Engine N1
and N2 began to decrease from their take-off values as the fuel supply to the engines was cut
off.
In the cockpit voice recording, one of the pilots is heard asking the other why did he cutoff.
The other pilot responded that he did not do so.
The CCTV footage obtained from the airport showed Ram Air Turbine (RAT) getting deployed
during the initial climb immediately after lift-off (fig. 15). No significant bird activity is observed
in the vicinity of the flight path. The aircraft started to lose altitude before crossing the airport
perimeter wall.

https://aaib.gov.in/What's%20New%20Asset...VT-ANB.pdf

The potential exists that the fix wasnt a fix.

(07-20-2025, 11:04 AM)Waterglass Wrote: Two huge excepts direct from the report: 

The FAA issued Special Air worthiness Information Bulletin (SAIB) No. NM-18-33 on
December 17, 2018, regarding the potential disengagement of the fuel control switch locking
feature. This SAIB was issued based on reports from operators of Model 737 airplanes that
the fuel control switches were installed with the locking feature disengaged. The airworthiness
concern was not considered an unsafe condition that would warrant airworthiness directive
(AD) by the FAA. The fuel control switch design, including the locking feature, is similar on
various Boeing airplane models including part number 4TL837-3D which is fitted in B787-8
aircraft VT-ANB. As per the information from Air India, the suggested inspections were not
carried out as the SAIB was advisory and not mandatory. The scrutiny of maintenance records
revealed that the throttle control module was replaced on VT-ANB in 2019 and 2023.
However, the reason for the replacement was not linked to the fuel control switch. There has
been no defect reported pertaining to the fuel control switch since 2023 on VT-ANB.

The aircraft achieved the maximum recorded airspeed of 180 Knots IAS at about 08:08:42
UTC and immediately thereafter, the Engine 1 and Engine 2 fuel cutoff switches transitioned
from RUN to CUTOFF position one after another with a time gap of 01 sec. The Engine N1
and N2 began to decrease from their take-off values as the fuel supply to the engines was cut
off.
In the cockpit voice recording, one of the pilots is heard asking the other why did he cutoff.
The other pilot responded that he did not do so.
The CCTV footage obtained from the airport showed Ram Air Turbine (RAT) getting deployed
during the initial climb immediately after lift-off (fig. 15). No significant bird activity is observed
in the vicinity of the flight path. The aircraft started to lose altitude before crossing the airport
perimeter wall.

https://aaib.gov.in/What's%20New%20Asset...VT-ANB.pdf

The potential exists that the fix wasnt a fix.

First, there has never been a case of both engine fuel cutoff switches failing simultaneously. Even on the 737, which is what the SAIB is in regards to. 

Second, this specific aircraft had the throttle quadrant replaced twice, which includes the cutoff switches. They replaced it the first time in 2019, and again in 2023. 

Third, the chances of both switches failing within one second of each other are so astronomical that you have a better chance at being king of England than of that happening. 

With regards to “I didn’t”, you’re telling me that no pilot has ever lied, or been mistaken about something they did? If it was pilot suicide, you think he’s going to come out and say “I did it because I want us all to die”?

Boeing ex-Senior Manager speaks on the lacking system faults information in the preliminary report.




Problems experienced prior to the crash.

What Caused Air India AI-171 Crash? Clues Point to Software, Electrical and Engine Control Failures | Asianet Newsable