president Maduro captured after US strikes

[quintessentone]

  From you, that's a riot. 

Obviously that hit home because all you have are insults now. Pathetic doesn't begin to describe you, I feel sorry for you.

[UltraBudgie]

You are blissfully (ignorance is bliss) eating from the trough of propaganda where no evidence exists and where the US helped with seeding those doubts for their own reasons.

"Reporting notes that Venezuela’s opposition asserted victory in the last presidential vote, while the ruling government maintained power, creating competing claims that form the basis for accusations that Maduro “stole” the election. Reuters reported the opposition’s claim alongside accounts of broken diplomatic communications and U.S. support for the opposition, framing a disputed electoral outcome in a context of external pressure and domestic contention [sup][2][/sup]. That reporting establishes the existence of a contested result but does not provide forensic confirmation of fraud in the public record summarized here."

https://factually.co/fact-checks/politic...uela-dicta

Broken link. Of course Reuters reporting on a statement made by someone else isn't proof of anything, in and of itself. Have you looked at the tally sheets that were published from that election? They're available, you know. Narrowing the scope and then saying "that doesn't prove anything!" is a cheap trick.

[quintessentone]

Broken link. Of course Reuters reporting on a statement made by someone else isn't proof of anything, in and of itself. Have you looked at the tally sheets that were published from that election? They're available, you know. Narrowing the scope and then saying "that doesn't prove anything!" is a cheap trick.

From factually.co:

"The materials supplied document repression, political contestation, and vigorous dispute about criminal allegations, but they do not include independent, public forensic proof that the last election was unequivocally stolen nor incontrovertible legal findings linking Maduro personally to drug-trafficking leadership. Thus, the claim as stated is partly supported and partly contested: repression justifies concern about authoritarian governance, while definitive proof of election theft or cartel leadership remains debated in the sources provided [sup][1] [3][/sup]."

factually.co/fact-checks/politics/maduro-venezuela-dicta

It was and still is your government's propagandizing and pushing these doubts and labels. Your DOJ just did an about face that Maduro was the kingpin of a Cartel, that they say is not really a Cartel...the whole premise for "arresting" him. Trump and your government are the cheap trick.

[UltraBudgie]

From factually.co:

"The materials supplied document repression, political contestation, and vigorous dispute about criminal allegations, but they do not include independent, public forensic proof that the last election was unequivocally stolen nor incontrovertible legal findings linking Maduro personally to drug-trafficking leadership. Thus, the claim as stated is partly supported and partly contested: repression justifies concern about authoritarian governance, while definitive proof of election theft or cartel leadership remains debated in the sources provided [sup][1] [3][/sup]."

factually.co/fact-checks/politics/maduro-venezuela-dicta

It was and still is your government's propagandizing and pushing these doubts and labels. Your DOJ just did an about face that Maduro was the kingpin of a Cartel, that they say is not really a Cartel...the whole premise for "arresting" him. Trump and your government are the cheap trick.

Why do you keep posting a broken link? I found the "fact check" you're referring too, however. At the top it says "This fact-check may be outdated. Consider refreshing it to get the most current information.".

Here is an AP article:

Independent election experts legitimize tally sheets Venezuela’s opposition says prove Maduro lost

MEXICO CITY (AP) — An independent group of election experts that observed Venezuela’s July presidential election on Wednesday legitimized the vote tally sheets the opposition has offered as proof of President Nicolás Maduro’s defeat, telling the Organization of American States the electronic balloting system worked and the ruling party as well as other stakeholders “know the truth.”

The assertions from an expert with the U.S.-based Carter Center came during a session convened by members of the regional body to address the dispute that emerged from Venezuela’s presidential election. The group was one of the two independent panels that the government invited to observe the vote on July 28, which electoral authorities claimed – without offering any proof – favored Maduro.

The dispute has centered on thousands of tally sheets known as actas — printouts that resemble shopping receipts — that have long been considered the ultimate proof of election results in Venezuela. Each of the 30,000 electronic voting machines used in the July 28 election printed several copies of the sheets, which representatives of participating parties have a right to obtain when the information is transmitted to the National Electoral Council.

Ruling party-loyal electoral authorities declared Maduro the victor hours after polls closed, but they did not publish results broken down by voting machine as they had done in previous presidential elections. They claimed they could not release the detailed information because their website was hacked.

The main opposition coalition, however, secured tally sheets from more than 80% of voting machines and published them online. The government then claimed those records were false and opened an investigation against members of the opposition, including the coalition’s candidate Edmundo González.

“The voting system is electronic, but it offers a paper trail – proof of what the electronic machine reports – and that is what was collected by tens of thousands of poll watchers, not just from the opposition, but also from the government party, the PSUV, that also has the same information,” Jennie Lincoln, who led the Carter Center’s mission to Venezuela, told diplomats Wednesday before showing them tally sheets.

https://apnews.com/article/venezuela-ele...3bf6c2b916

Trump and your government are the cheap trick.

The easiest way to address this 'totally objective' claim is to ask: have you seen our budget? There's nothing cheap about it!

[quintessentone]

Why do you keep posting a broken link? I found the "fact check" you're referring too, however. At the top it says "This fact-check may be outdated. Consider refreshing it to get the most current information.".

Here is an AP article:

https://apnews.com/article/venezuela-ele...3bf6c2b916


The easiest way to address this 'totally objective' claim is to ask: have you seen our budget? There's nothing cheap about it!

It's from a US-based so-called expert observation. Really?

From your source:

"The assertions from an expert with the U.S.-based Carter Center came during a session convened by members of the regional body to address the dispute that emerged from Venezuela’s presidential election. The group was one of the two independent panels that the government invited to observe the vote on July 28, which electoral authorities claimed – without offering any proof – favored Maduro."

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"Observers
There were very few independent international election observers.[sup][152][/sup][sup][153][/sup][sup][22]"

"[/sup]Carter Center
On 20 June 2024, the Carter Center agreed to send observers in response to concerns about the lack of sufficient independent monitors, which could undermine the legitimacy of the election results.[sup][154][/sup] It sent only "small technical team", according to the BBC[sup][152][/sup] of 17 experts to 4 cities.[sup][155][/sup]
The Carter Center stated on 30 July that it could not verify the results from the election authorities and that the election "cannot be considered democratic".[sup][155][/sup][sup][156]"

"[/sup]Infobae wrote that the guests received as observers were "allies" of the Maduro administration who would not criticize, while others were not allowed to enter.[sup][162]"[/sup]

2024 Venezuelan presidential election - Wikipedia

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It's a shitshow election process there with no real transparency...sound familiar? Still, the going consensus is there is no actual independent evidence. This is not about regime change, it's about Trump making himself and his buddies richer and richer by stealing from the poor.

[UltraBudgie]

It's from a US-based so-called expert observation. Really?

Here is some more for you:

The Carter Center and the European Union were invited by the election commission to observe the election. The U.N. also sent a small panel of experts. The Center assembled a team of 17 electoral experts from 11 nations. The EU had planned a large observation mission, but the Venezuelan government summarily disinvited it just weeks before the vote.

“The Carter Center was the last international observer organization standing,” Lincoln said. “We knew we couldn’t opine on an election without witnessing it, so we did what we could with the small team we had.”

https://www.cartercenter.org/stories/cen...venezuela/

And here is their final report:
https://www.cartercenter.org/publication...venezuela/

You can see the raw data from the opposition party here:
https://resultadospresidencialesvenezuela2024.com/
archive link

[FlyersFan]

Obviously that hit home because all you have are insults now. Pathetic doesn't begin to describe you, I feel sorry for you.

... says the person who insulted me first.   
And my post wasn't an insult.  
It was an observation about YOUR insult.

   You make it so easy.  

[UltraBudgie]

This is not about regime change, it's about Trump making himself and his buddies richer and richer by stealing from the poor.

If you're going to make unsourced hyperbolic observations, at least bring your A-game to pretending it's objective truth, by citing other unsourced hyperbolic observations, rather than simply coming out and claiming it yourself. Here, I'll help:



Perkins, John. 2006: Confessions of an Economic Hit Man. Plume. 2004. ISBN 9780452287082. New York: Plume (Prologue, page xx)

You're welcome.

[putnam6]

I wonder if AP is considered right-leaning

https://apnews.com/article/maduro-indict...5111cd914c

 

And in early January, we can see there rare 
white obtuse Canadian goose honking loudly
driving south to catch up with friends and
family who flew south without them... 

[quintessentone]

I wonder if AP is considered right-leaning

https://apnews.com/article/maduro-indict...5111cd914c

 [Image: https://denyignorance.com/uploader/image...4176c5.jpg]

And in early January, we can see there rare 
white obtuse Canadian goose honking loudly
driving south to catch up with friends and
family who flew south without them... 
[Image: https://media0.giphy.com/media/0geEIktOA.../giphy.gif]

I don't think so because I cut/paste an opposing refute to UB's claim using his source.

"From your source:

"The assertions from an expert with the U.S.-based Carter Center came during a session convened by members of the regional body to address the dispute that emerged from Venezuela’s presidential election. The group was one of the two independent panels that the government invited to observe the vote on July 28, which electoral authorities claimed – without offering any proof – favored Maduro.""

Circle jerking facts.