president Maduro captured after US strikes

[chr0naut]

I knew you were going to give me a long drawn out text defending your tyrannical government. I couldn’t even get thru all the bs in it.   

My girlfriend lived in Australia at the time and their government was really bad, NZ was even worse, so spare me your usual long diatribe.   

Besides it has zero to do with the topic of this thread.

I know you think that the NZ government was tyrannical. But it wasn't, it was more intentionally compassionate than the current NZ government, but the situation at the time was dire.

Ardern said very early on that dealing with the pandemic was a political career ending choice, but that she had to take it because it was the most caring and fair thing to do. And she doubled down on her ethicality by voluntarily resigning when the pandemic was over and before the end of her term in office.

The current NZ government consists of an alliance of a large centre-right party and two smaller more extreme-right parties. Instead of governing wisely, they are instead carrying out racist actions against Maori (who are about 7% of the population). It has been so bad here politically and economically under the current government that I think that there's almost no way those parties will ever be re-elected while their memory remains. Of course, they love and kowtow to Trump.

However, your current President has started implementing round-ups of people with specific ethnicities, with suggested targets to include around 11 million people. Already, they have mistakenly deported legal US citizens, and some citizens have been injured or killed. Ethnic cleansing isn't a good thing.

The US has already militarily attacked and is threatening sovereign countries who pose no military threat (and the ridiculous alleged 'drug threat' from Venezuela has always been minimal in real terms). Trump just realizes the USA has almost no real energy reserves of its own left, and he has committed to coal and oil, and ridiculed all alternatives, and so he is now trying to steal from others.

US intelligence services are saying now that Maduro did not have cartel connections, and American companies extracting oil in Venezuela were being properly compensated for the oil claimed by Venezuela.

If Trump had legitimately wanted America to get some of the oil, he should have bought it, like everyone else. His current moves look desperate.

Trump has ordered-in military forces in-country, to allegedly police & 'stamp-out crime waves', in specific cities (contrary to Posse Comitatus). Those crime waves just aren't, and haven't, happened. While cities with higher crime statistics are completely ignored. It is clear that what he is doing is to try and cripple the Constitutionally mandated self-governance of the states, and impose Federal control under his dictatorship.

Trump is also threatening military action against sovereign, stable, democratically governed countries who pose no threat. The USA has gone rogue!

He has implemented excessive tariffs that ultimately will be paid for by the US population, because the tariffs only make the goods more expensive to the people and companies of the USA and like his wall, no other country is going to pay for them. The other thing is that the sellers can simply sell their stuff elsewhere and their tariff related volume problems are solved, and the US becomes poorer and less powerful, for it.

My guess is that, if Trump doesn't die in office of some geriatric disease, that he will start killing Americans to stay there.

Only anti-Americans would cheer him on for shredding the Constitution and crowning himself despot.

[RazorV66]

I know you think that the NZ government was tyrannical. But it wasn't.

Your current President has started implementing round-ups of people with specific ethnicities, with suggested targets to include around 11 million people. Already, they have deported the wrong people and legal US citizens have been injured or killed.

The US is militarily attacking and threatening countries who pose no military threat and the alleged drug threat from Venezuela has always been minimal in real terms.

Trump has ordered-in military forces to allegedly 'stamp-out crime waves', in specific cities, crime waves that just aren't and haven't happened. While cities with higher crime statistics are completely ignored.

He is threatening military action against sovereign, stable, democratically governed countries.

He has implemented excessive tariffs that ultimately will be paid for by the US population, because the tariffs only make the goods more expensive to the people and companies of the USA and like his wall, no other country is going to pay for them. The other thing is that the sellers can simply sell their stuff elsewhere and their tariff related volume problems are solved.

Maybe tell your psychiatrist all that bullshit and see what they say.

[Solvedit]

Your current President has started implementing round-ups of people with specific ethnicities, with suggested targets to include around 11 million people. Already, they have deported the wrong people and legal US citizens have been injured or killed.

It only looks that way because most of the recent wave of illegals are from mainly non-white countries. When have there been twenty million illegals from, say, Canada or NZ? There has been a shooting recently but the victim may have struck an ICE agent with her vehicle. The police aren't perfect. If we held out for perfect police, we couldn't afford enough policing.

The US is militarily attacking and threatening countries who pose no military threat and the alleged drug threat from Venezuela has always been minimal in real terms.

Can it be high enough for the likes of you? Besides, their gangs were operating here, but the real issue may have been that Cuba was and is manipulating Venezuelan politics and oil prices. Why do you only recognize invading or interfering with a country for its oil when the US does it?

Trump has ordered-in military forces to allegedly 'stamp-out crime waves', in specific cities, crime waves that just aren't and haven't happened. While cities with higher crime statistics are completely ignored.

Some far left cities don't want the help.

He is threatening military action against sovereign, stable, democratically governed countries.

Each one taken individually does not represent the bulk of the drug problem, I guess.

He has implemented excessive tariffs that ultimately will be paid for by the US population, because the tariffs only make the goods more expensive to the people and companies of the USA and like his wall, no other country is going to pay for them. The other thing is that the sellers can simply sell their stuff elsewhere and their tariff related volume problems are solved.

Before Trump's second term, the USA had some of the lowest trade barriers in the world.  The tariffs are reciprocal and may result in a rejuvenation of US manufacturing.

[chr0naut]

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Maybe tell your psychiatrist all that bullshit and see what they say.

Don't tie your boat up to Trump's burning oil platform.

He no longer has the mandate of his people. He probably never did. And I think he is now approaching critical mass of those he has offended.

Also, smoking is not good for your health (perhaps the pipe is, instead, for blowing soap bubbles? That would seem appropriate for Mr Babyface).

[chr0naut]

It only looks that way because most of the recent wave of illegals are from mainly non-white countries.

It has never really been a problem for any other US President, or state politician, either. Trump made it all up because he knows that paranoid racists will vote for him, and a lot of Americans live in fear of 'the other'.

The truth is, it is impossible for a small-numbers lower-economic non-military group within a country to overtake an 'armed-to-the-teeth' massively numerous and mostly wealthy population. Just is. That, and the fact that there isn't even the slightest sign that they intend to change out the current government.

When have there been twenty million illegals from, say, Canada or NZ?

Where were the militias of poor South Americans in training camps to defeat the USA? Your invasion nightmare is only in your head.

Look, migration happens. Often, people leave their original countries to try and improve their situation. And if they think they see a better life, a better way, what makes you believe that they want to #u@k that all up?

I'm an Aussie, and I happen to own a bit of land in NZ, and I thought it would be a good place for a young family, so, when I fell in love with a beautiful NZ girl, got married and started a family, it was natural for me to migrate to NZ. Considering the crime and things I saw in Sydney, getting worse and worse, it was a no-brainer.

Been here 23 years and happy to integrate. I call myself a New Zealander, from Australia. Worked hard, contributed, paid tax, even had a role in government.

I bet many of those already deported from the US (to other countries than they were from) call themselves Americans, too, and were just trying to fit in and live the best life they could. Now those people, including women and children, many who have known no other life than in the USA, are now rotting away in some foreign concentration camp. All to prop up the lie that keeps a tyrant in power.

There has been a shooting recently but the victim may have struck an ICE agent with her vehicle.

It's on video.

One ICE car cut her off, driving past in front of her.

She stopped for a second and then started to drive off, to get out of the way, but officers from a second car came up to the drivers side of her car and unloaded three rounds into the open drivers side window.

There was barely time for her to have struck the ICE agent with her car, and she was turning the other way. If she did hit the ICE agent, it was because the ICE agent jumped into the path of a moving car. It was not intentional on her part, if it did happen. Check the video.

Three rounds, at point blank range into someone's face. He should have a life sentence for murder. He clearly intended to kill.

The police aren't perfect. If we held out for perfect police, we couldn't afford enough policing.Can it be high enough for the likes of you? Besides, their gangs were operating here, but the real issue may have been that Cuba was and is manipulating Venezuelan politics and oil prices. Why do you only recognize invading or interfering with a country for its oil when the US does it?

Some far left cities

To ze true Nazi, all who are not as extreme as zey are, even ze very centre-reich-wing, are communists.

don't want the help.Each one taken individually does not represent the bulk of the drug problem

Only once ze drugz from Greenland haf been stopped, ve vill be free unt it vill be safe for our frau unt our kinder!

, I guess.Before Trump's second term, the USA had some of the lowest trade barriers in the world. 

That is because everyone was trying to achieve free trade. That's trade without governments grabbing for a piece of the pie, where prices are set by market forces.

You'd think that big government control over markets and trade was more of a repressive communist sort of thing to do, rather than a free capitalist one?

 The tariffs are reciprocal and may result in a rejuvenation of US manufacturing.

But manufacturing can't start from zero. You need plant and equipment and raw resources, most of which the USA does not now have after it moved to a services and intellectual property economy some decades ago.

But other countries have those basic ingredients. Easy, then, just buy what you need, ohhhh...

So you can't start a manufacturing businesses in the USA now because everything you need (and you need just about everything) is just sooo damn expensive! And wages are so damn high even if you could afford to kick it off... What idiot organized this?



Yeah, you have gang issues and crime. Everywhere does. The difference with you is that everyone is armed, the good, the bad, the suicidal and the insane.

You see, up until Trump, you apparently had police that consistently sorted out almost 100% of crimes.

And, failing that, the FBI is set up with offices and agents all over the US just to fight crime, and they can take precedence over local investigations and policing. Why not send in a task force or to to deal with real and actual crime?

Perhaps it is because the FBI and state police are both saying that crime has, on average, greatly reduced since the 70's, and even since last year, yet that contradicts what Trump keeps bleating to his sheeple.

Trump keeps feeding those paranoid fears... You neeed to be directed and pushed around by armed officers, it's for your own good.

[KrustyKrab]

I know you think that the NZ government was tyrannical. But it wasn't, it was more intentionally compassionate than the current NZ government, but the situation at the time was dire.

Ardern said very early on that dealing with the pandemic was a political career ending choice, but that she had to take it because it was the most caring and fair thing to do. And she doubled down on her ethicality by voluntarily resigning when the pandemic was over and before the end of her term in office.

The current NZ government consists of an alliance of a large centre-right party and two smaller more extreme-right parties. Instead of governing wisely, they are instead carrying out racist actions against Maori (who are about 7% of the population). It has been so bad here politically and economically under the current government that I think that there's almost no way those parties will ever be re-elected while their memory remains. Of course, they love and kowtow to Trump.

However, your current President has started implementing round-ups of people with specific ethnicities, with suggested targets to include around 11 million people. Already, they have mistakenly deported legal US citizens, and some citizens have been injured or killed. Ethnic cleansing isn't a good thing.

The US has already militarily attacked and is threatening sovereign countries who pose no military threat (and the ridiculous alleged 'drug threat' from Venezuela has always been minimal in real terms). Trump just realizes the USA has almost no real energy reserves of its own left, and he has committed to coal and oil, and ridiculed all alternatives, and so he is now trying to steal from others.

US intelligence services are saying now that Maduro did not have cartel connections, and American companies extracting Venezuela were being properly compensated for the oil claimed by Venezuela.

If Trump had legitimately wanted America to get some of the oil, he should have bought it, like everyone else. His current moves look desperate.

Trump has ordered-in military forces in-country, to allegedly police & 'stamp-out crime waves', in specific cities (contrary to Posse Comitatus). Those crime waves just aren't, and haven't, happened. While cities with higher crime statistics are completely ignored. It is clear that what he is doing is to try and cripple the Constitutionally mandated self-governance of the states, and impose Federal control under his dictatorship.

Trump is also threatening military action against sovereign, stable, democratically governed countries who pose no threat. The USA has gone rogue!

He has implemented excessive tariffs that ultimately will be paid for by the US population, because the tariffs only make the goods more expensive to the people and companies of the USA and like his wall, no other country is going to pay for them. The other thing is that the sellers can simply sell their stuff elsewhere and their tariff related volume problems are solved, and the US becomes poorer and less powerful, for it.

My guess is that, if Trump doesn't die in office of some geriatric disease, that he will start killing Americans to stay there.

Only anti-Americans would cheer him on for shredding the Constitution and crowning himself despot.

What a wall of BS. Sorry but I’m not reading it all. Nothing I can say to a programmed bot on the other side of the world that would matter.  You don’t have a clue of what it’s like over here.  Are you telling me these blue cities are safe?
They’re not. Chicago, Memphis, NYC, DC,….are bad, crime went waaaay down when Trump sent people into clean it up.  You’re delusional!

[KrustyKrab]

It's on video.

One ICE car cut her off, driving past in front of her.

She stopped for a second and then started to drive off, to get out of the way, but officers from a second car came up to the drivers side of her car and unloaded three rounds into the open drivers side window.

There was barely time for her to have struck the ICE agent with her car, and she was turning the other way. If she did hit then ICE agent, it was because the ICE agent jumped into the path of a moving car. It was not intentional on her part, if it did 

You’re literally making chit up.  There is a video and you should watch it, need to watch the front view.  

She hit the guy and was in process of running him over when she got shot. I swear you spew a lot of crap on here. Ughh

[chr0naut]

You’re literally making chit up.  There is a video and you should watch it, need to watch the front view.  

She hit the guy and was in process of running him over when she got shot. I swear you spew a lot of crap on here. Ughh[Video: https://youtu.be/fPmnj6OP1YY?si=NipNf_GmQRz_B7UP]

Please note the angle of the front wheels at 2:15 in that video. She was clearly turning away from the officer at that point and did not have the time to go from lock-to-lock in the time between when he was closest to the front of the car, and the wheels were hidden, up to the 'car and wheel position' at 2:15 in the video you showed.

He was to the left of her car, from her position. She was already turning right, away from him. He moved in towards the car. with his arms fairly straight out in front of him and put both his hands on the left-hand side of her car with his arms still fairly straight as the car moved away past him.

The same is plain in both videos.

[angelchemuel]

Please note the angle of the front wheels at 2:15 in that video. She was clearly turning away from the officer at that point and did not have the time to go from lock-to-lock in the time between when he was closest to the front of the car, and the wheels were hidden, up to the 'car and wheel position' at 2:15 in the video you showed.

He was to the left of her car, from her position. She was already turning right, away from him. He moved in towards the car. with his arms fairly straight out in front of him and put both his hands on the left-hand side of her car with his arms still fairly straight as the car moved away past him.

The same is plain in both videos.

Regardless of which way her wheels were pointing, the other agent was approaching her car and telling her to get out. He then tried opening her car door while she was reversing backwards. Thatr woman was NOT GOING TO COMPLY and sealed her fate by gunning her car forwards into the other agent at the front of her car who then shot her.
Fait accompli.
The question nobody is asking at this point is why the agent was asking her to vacate her car. There must have been a good reason for it.

[Sky727]

Back to Maduro, Venezuela, and  one of the real reasons for the snatch and grab and what might follow.