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(01-04-2026, 09:01 AM)WallFlowerActive Wrote: Why would you need a military strike if most people are happy Maduro is gone?
I would think Machado would be a clean start where the current VP of Venezuela is just a corrupt politician and a hold out from the Maduro administration trying to hold on to power while ignoring the people’s will.
I welcome new elections, if that is what the people want but there is a problem as per Trump:
"Maria Corina Machado, known affectionately in Venezuela as simply "Maria Corina", is the most vocal of the country's opposition leaders. However, Donald Trump doesn't think she has the support to succeed Nicolas Maduro."
Who will take over as Venezuela's president? It's not so simple | World News | Sky News
I assume if she didn't have the support to succeed Maduro she won't have the support to succeed the VP either. So, if the VP does not bend the knee to Trump, I see a second invasion strike coming.
"Venezuela Supreme Court Decision
The Venezuelan Supreme Court has made a significant decision regarding the country's leadership following the detention of President Nicolás Maduro by U.S. forces. The court ordered Vice President Delcy Rodríguez to assume the role of acting president, ensuring administrative continuity and national defense during Maduro's absence. This decision was made to prevent a break in governance and to maintain the administration's operations and state sovereignty. The court's ruling followed remarks by US President Donald Trump, who indicated plans to oversee Venezuela until a leadership transition could be organized. The Supreme Court will continue to debate the matter to determine the applicable legal framework for the continuity of the State, the administration of government, and the defense of sovereignty in the face of Maduro's forced absence.
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(01-04-2026, 09:14 AM)ElitePlebeian Wrote: If you call that a refusal thats again proving you lack some level of common sense. Some time I will make a thread about it and Ill invite you to reply there.
Sinde I know by mind; Definition of socialism is the public control of the means of production. Usually with intend to distribute it for the benefit of all people. (That last part I add myself but for most official sources that first part is it.)
Now off to the races.
Not really any sort of answer to the questions i asked.
Or a presentation of the facts to support the claims you just made about Hitler's personal diary.
Call me when you make that thread Elite, ile happily play and contribute.
Disagreements and debate aside, good luck at the races.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
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(01-04-2026, 09:14 AM)andy06shake Wrote: How does your claim of a third of the people leaving prove a dictatorship?
I never said that it did. Where did you get that from?
1/3 of the people left because of many things including
the rampant crime and corruption.
What proves a dictatorship is that he wasn't properly
elected. His 'election' isn't recognized by a majority
of the people.
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01-04-2026, 09:22 AM
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(01-04-2026, 09:14 AM)andy06shake Wrote: And the idea that any future president will owe their job to Trump is a recipe for disaster if ever there was one.
Sure. But it is what it is.
The next president will 'owe' the USA.
And the next president surely won't be the sitting Vice President.
Too many Venezuelans there, and around the world, are very happy
that Maduro is gone. And she's tied too closely to him.
There is a lot of chatter about the Nobel Peace Prize woman being
the next President. She backs Trump and talks him up. Usually that
would be a sure sign that he's going to push for her, but Trump is
sexist and may pass her over for some other puppet to run down there.
A male one.
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(01-04-2026, 09:18 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: I never said that it did. Where did you get that from?
1/3 of the people left because of many things including
the rampant crime and corruption.
What proves a dictatorship is that he wasn't properly
elected. His 'election' isn't recognized by a majority
of the people.
Well, 1/3 of the people leaving because of crime and corruption doesn't automatically prove a dictatorship.
Again, people leave poor or unstable nations without the leader being a dictator.
Saying he "wasn’t properly elected" is an opinion, one that i share, but it doesn't make it factual without real proof Flyers.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
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(01-04-2026, 09:26 AM)andy06shake Wrote: Well, 1/3 of the people leaving because of crime and corruption doesn't automatically prove a dictatorship.
I never said it did.
Again .. not sure why you are saying that I did.
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(01-04-2026, 09:26 AM)andy06shake Wrote: Saying he "wasn’t properly elected" is an opinion, one that i share, but it doesn't make it factual without real proof Flyers.
Do you want me to go out and hunt down articles online explaining why he wasn't properly elected? I could do that. But you already agree with the statement and agree with the majority of people who say it so I'm not sure of the point of me doing that would be.
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(01-04-2026, 09:22 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: Sure. But it is what it is.
The next president will 'owe' the USA.
And the next president surely won't be the sitting Vice President.
Too many Venezuelans there, and around the world, are very happy
that Maduro is gone. And she's tied too closely to him.
There is a lot of chatter about the Nobel Peace Prize woman being
the next President. She backs Trump and talks him up. Usually that
would be a sure sign that he's going to push for her, but Trump is
sexist and may pass her over for some other puppet to run down there.
A male one.
By the looks of it, Trump doesn't back her and will quite happily put her down in public, so....
As to what or who the next president will be beholden to.
Again, that remains to be established.
I like Maria Corina Machado also, but im not holding my breath as to her being much more than a piece on the game board.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
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(01-04-2026, 09:30 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: Do you want me to go out and hunt down articles online explaining why he wasn't properly elected? I could do that. But you already agree with the statement and agree with the majority of people who say it so I'm not sure of the point of me doing that would be.
Then why would i require you to hunt down articles like you suggest?
I suppose it could be helpful to the debate, all the same.
Most facts will be, but I'm not sure you will be able to prove corruption unequivocally via mere articles.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
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(01-04-2026, 09:30 AM)andy06shake Wrote: I like Maria Corina Machado also, but im not holding my breath as to her being much more than a piece on the game board.
Agreed.
The current vice president will be out. She's too close to Maduro and both the Venezuelan people don't like her AND our government can't trust her. And this Maria Machado, while popular in Venezuela, is a woman so Trump is sexist and that doesn't work ... and she beat him to the Nobel Peace Prize and I'm sure he's still smarting from that!
It'll have to be people who are popular in Venezuela but still beholding to America for helping to get them in office. Probably a player none of us has heard of. Only time will tell ....
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