president Maduro captured after US strikes

[andy06shake]

But it never works.
Because people will always be people.
And the people at the top of the socialist heap always take control.
A small group at the top ruling a large poor working group at the bottom.
All equally poor ... except the ruling elite 'socialists'.
Socialism looks good on paper.
But it's impossible to work because of  peoples innate natures.

As you know, i dont necessary dissagree with some of that assessment.

People are indeed coruptable hence so are the systems they create. 

Tell you what else won't work through.

Running the nation of Venezuela via a board of directors with Trump at the helm.

[ElitePlebeian]

Have to say that's just borderline tripe now Elite.

Hitler used socialist language, then stripped it of its entire meaning.

He banned strikes, destroyed the trade unions, jailed or killed actual socialists and communists, and protected private property as long as owners served his evil regime.

That’s authoritarian state control in spades and not socialism by any manner or means.

Socialism is about worker ownership and democratic control, not "obey the dictator or else." 

And antisemitism wasn't about capitalism in practice.

The Nazis partnered and jumped into bed with the industrialists and bankers just fine.

History perfectly illustrates that point.

Planned economies still exist in states of war and fascism, they have to. 

Chavez copying some methods doesn't retroactively make Hitler socialist.

Labels aren't reality.

Structures and outcomes on the other hand...

Not tripe, backed by facts and Hitlers personal diary which the left refuses to acknowledge. But from your mess of a post I can derive I would have to explain the definition of socialism to you and how what you said not necessarily is factual or is opposed to a socialistic state. I dont have time to do that right now and it would derail the thread on top. Im on holiday gonna enjoy, have a nice day too.

[quintessentone]

As you know, i dont necessary dissagree with some of that assessment.

People are indeed coruptable hence so are the systems they create. 

Tell you what else won't work through.

Running the nation of Venezuela via a board of directors with Trump at the helm.

[FlyersFan]

Tell you what else won't work through.

Running the nation of Venezuela via a board of directors with Trump at the helm.

What was existing in Venezuela wasn't working.
1/3 of the population left.
The remaining population was dirt poor and full of crime.
And the government was running drug operations and 
other illegal ventures.

Having Venezuela run by Trump or a committee wouldn't work either.
It has to be run by Venezuelans whom THE PEOPLE choose.

Trump didn't give a timeline of how long the US would run Venezuela.
So it's hard to comment.
I suspect it wouldn't be long.
If it were long that would make a problem legally, I'd think.
A change over would be wanted quickly.
But whoever gets elected in Venezuela will be indebted to the USA.
So it would be just like the USA is running it anyways, just with a 
puppet face on the front to make the people  happy.

[andy06shake]

Not tripe, backed by facts and Hitlers personal diary which the left refuses to acknowledge. But from your mess of a post I can derive I would have to explain the definition of socialism to you and how what you said not necessarily is factual or is opposed to a socialistic state. I dont have time to do that right now and it would derail the thread on top. Im on holiday gonna enjoy, have a nice day too.

Find the time, please, and post the facts.

And also explain the definition of socialism.

Since you claim i fail to comprehend.

Essentially crap or get off the pot.

The thread is not being derailed.

And you now appear to be unwilling to provide facts or an explanation to support the claims you are making. 

Enjoying your holiday is fine but if you refuse to reciprocate, that's up to you.

Have a nice day also.

[David64]

You just described your present governmental and societal structure.

That coming from someone who had Trudeau as a leader...if you actually are Canadian that is. 

Jailing truck drivers, impounding their vehicles and seizing their bank accounts just for protesting seems pretty Authoritarian doesn't it ?
Or is that different because "but but Trump" ?

[quintessentone]

What was existing in Venezuela wasn't working.
1/3 of the population left.
The remaining population was dirt poor and full of crime.
And the government was running drug operations and 
other illegal ventures.

Having Venezuela run by Trump or a committee wouldn't work either.
It has to be run by Venezuelans whom THE PEOPLE choose.

Trump didn't give a timeline of how long the US would run Venezuela.
So it's hard to comment.
I suspect it wouldn't be long.
If it were long that would make a problem legally, I'd think.
A change over would be wanted quickly.
But whoever gets elected in Venezuela will be indebted to the USA.
So it would be just like the USA is running it anyways, just with a 
puppet face on the front to make the people  happy.

The Vice President there isn't bending the knee to Trump, she is demanding Maduro's release, and the military there has been deployed protecting military assets.

So get ready for a second invasion strike, this time your military will be fighting for oil with their blood/lives to make Trump and his oil barons even more rich.

[WallFlowerActive]

The Vice President there isn't bending the knee to Trump, she is demanding Maduro's release, and the military there has been deployed protecting military assets.

So get ready for a second invasion strike, this time your military will be fighting for oil to make Trump and his oil barons even more rich.

And yet many people are happy and Jubilant Maduro is gone.

[andy06shake]

What was existing in Venezuela wasn't working.
1/3 of the population left.
The remaining population was dirt poor and full of crime.
And the government was running drug operations and 
other illegal ventures.

Having Venezuela run by Trump or a committee wouldn't work either.
It has to be run by Venezuelans whom THE PEOPLE choose.

Trump didn't give a timeline of how long the US would run Venezuela.
So it's hard to comment.
I suspect it wouldn't be long.
If it were long that would make a problem legally, I'd think.
A change over would be wanted quickly.
But whoever gets elected in Venezuela will be indebted to the USA.
So it would be just like the USA is running it anyways, just with a 
puppet face on the front to make the people  happy.

Seems to me that takes a lot of assumptions as fact Flyers.

Venezuela's crisis is mostly due to years of economic mismanagement and corruption.

Not just "drug operations" or the people being poor and criminal.

Historically, foreign intervention makes things worse in these situations. 

And the idea that any elected Venezuelan government would automatically be a "puppet" of the US is speculative at best.

The politics in play there are complicated, to say the least.

How things are going to play out remains to be seen.

[andy06shake]

And yet many people are happy and Jubilant Maduro is gone.

Again, two things can be true at the same time.

That doesn't mean they are happy or jubilant Trumps taking control with a board of directors.