president Maduro captured after US strikes

[Oldcarpy2]

Seems to me it’s a circle jerk claiming some kind of war was started.

Nah, it was a Special Military Operation.  Not regime change or foreign intervention.

[Lrrr]

Seems to me it’s a circle jerk claiming some kind of war was started.

No. It's that this was an action with long-term consequences and parallels to previous occupations that have historically panned out awfully. Again, the presser immediately shifted to "we will run the country and pump oil". If you believe the "the money is going back into Venezuela" line, I have a memecoin to sell you.

[IDELB2006]

Sounds more like a fourth Reich imho.

Possibly best to avoid occupying other nations in the name of peace.

And hardly the way to go about becoming a non-war-time POTUS.

I exaggerated of course, but Trump has said Cuba and Columbia may be next. 

The US has been giving asylum to people from many of the countries in our neighborhood for decades. Clearly at some point, something needs to be done. 

I'm sure Trump is looking to skim a bit off the top for himself.

[CriticalStinker]

I exaggerated of course, but Trump has said Cuba and Columbia may be next. 

The US has been giving asylum to people from many of the countries in our neighborhood for decades. Clearly at some point, something needs to be done. 

I'm sure Trump is looking to skim a bit off the top for himself.

I think Iran is next personally. And I think that one is the one that could really turn into something much worse.

[DBCowboy]

But in the real World, Trump released Hernandez.

Can anyone defend that?

Start a thread, I don't know the story.

[ReturnofBroccoli]

The whole purpose of these forums is to question things.

Politicians don't just leave office and say "yea, I did all of that for personal gains, and the original premise was a lie". We have to look at the evidence we do have, and form opinions based off of that. Again, if you want to believe Iraq was a just war, that's your right. It would be one of the few post WWII wars that actually had altruism at heart if that's the case. 

I think debt is incredibly relevant to war, and should be weighed before we start conducting war. I don't think it's hard to imagine why an ever increasing debt is bad. You can pay 100 dollars for something, or you can take a loan and pay interest. If you do that here and there, it can be responsible. But in a few years, interest payments will be the number one expenditure of the US government if we keep this trend. That money has to be paid back, and it means that younger generations are responsible for the decisions that were made before them. That's passing the buck, which I don't personally think is fair. I think we should leave things better than we found them.

I am questioning you about the evidence that has shaped your ideologies, is that not the questioning I am suppose to question? Point me to the correct questioning for this site, I would hate to use it in a manner it was not built for :p im kidding

Sure, passing the buck is bad, but until the world stops believing in U.S. treasury bonds it isn't an issue. U.S. GDP is on the rise and our assets are in something in the 160 trillion dollar range compared to 38 trillion we could probably take on twice the debt and still float. As far as GDP goes we are the wealthiest country on the planet.

Which, by the way, is precisely why I find it so hard to believe we are pirating oil from anyone.

[Oldcarpy2]

Start a thread, I don't know the story.

It's on topic and has been posted about already.

Lots.

[Vermilion]

No. It's that this was an action with long-term consequences and parallels to previous occupations that have historically panned out awfully. Again, the presser immediately shifted to "we will run the country and pump oil". If you believe the "the money is going back into Venezuela" line, I have a memecoin to sell you.

Venezuela took control of more than $12 billion in U.S. oil assets in Venezuela through nationalization and expropriation in the 1970s and again in the 2000s.
This includes the International Centre for Settlement of Investment Disputes (ICSID) ordered Venezuela to pay ConocoPhillips over $8.7 billion for expropriated oilfield assets.

Just a taste…

ConocoPhillips (oil assets expropriated in 2007) $8.7 billion
ExxonMobil (oil assets expropriated in 2007, across multiple arbitration proceedings) $2.5 billion
Owens-Illinois (glass plants expropriated in 2010) $372 million
Koch Industries (fertilizer facilities expropriated in 2010) $409 million
Tidewater (marine services and vessels expropriated in 2009) $46 million

More here…
https://www.reuters.com/article/business...TRE80002W/

[Lrrr]

Venezuela took control of more than $12 billion in U.S. oil assets in Venezuela through nationalization and expropriation in the 1970s and again in the 2000s.
This includes the International Centre for Settlement of Investment Disputes (ICSID) ordered Venezuela to pay ConocoPhillips over $8.7 billion for expropriated oilfield assets.

Just a taste…

ConocoPhillips (oil assets expropriated in 2007) $8.7 billion
ExxonMobil (oil assets expropriated in 2007, across multiple arbitration proceedings) $2.5 billion
Owens-Illinois (glass plants expropriated in 2010) $372 million
Koch Industries (fertilizer facilities expropriated in 2010) $409 million
Tidewater (marine services and vessels expropriated in 2009) $46 million

More here…
https://www.reuters.com/article/business...TRE80002W/

Disputes over land / sea rights aside, thanks for acknowledging this was never about a Maduro indictment.

[rickymouse]

 What does 8 million people leaving your country during one regime mean?

I'd suggest it means Colombia and Peru are happy AF, Maduro isn't in charge
 

If they get that corrupt leader out of power and straighten up their government, maybe those refugees might want to go back to their country.  I would not want to live in a country that was under a dictator like him.  Maduro was even listed as a Narco-terrorist back in 2020 under the Biden administration.

Biden did nothing to try to stop him from sending drugs into this country.  We do not want all our young to get addicted to drugs in this country, so why not stop it from coming in...stop the leader of that country and the cartel from profiting off of the drug smuggling.

During the Biden administration New York courts went after a leader of a different country who was far from as bad as this guy is.  They stuck him in Prison.  Now I think Trump pardoned that guy for problems in the trial from what I hear, he was supposedly not directly involved like Maduro is.  So it was an overreach in that conviction, but in this case, Maduro is much worse than the other guy was because he is directly involved with the Cartel's corruption from what I have read, along with other illegal operations.  A lot of people left Venezuela because of this leaders corruption and maybe we can help make their country better again.

I think that Europe should actually be involved in the trial of Maduro but I feel that because Trump is trying to fix the problem, they will probably let Maduro go free of charges of his crimes because lots of their liberal leaders also have TDS.  Most countries should be happy that a country trying to make their young into drug addicts is taking a leader of a drug supplying country out of power. 

Look at how much cost to all americans is coming from people getting addicted to these hard drugs these days.  Addicts will rob, steal, sell their bodies, and sell drugs to pay for their addiction.  The cost of healthcare for these people also drives up the cost of health insurance for everyone.  And people who get addicted and do not want to do illegal things to feed their addiction...they will commit suicide lots of times and will always feel terrible.  Those who don't care about others, they won't feel bad because they screwed others over, so they won't be as apt to commit suicide.  The good people who made a mistake will be the ones to kill themselves, leaving society even more corrupt here in America.

We need to straighten out the path of America....not just the USA either, we must work together to make sure our young don't turn into drug addicts.  Pot should never have been put into a class even clost to heroin and cocaine and these other drugs like fentanyl.  Sure, for some people Pot can be bad, but the majority it just gives them a buzz and maybe a psychological addiction, not a really dangerous addiction.