Why I support Russia and China now

[Creaky]

So, educate me 
Once upon a time, I stood in awe of the US, maybe that was their involvement in WW2, who knows. To much John Wayne
I thought they were the good guys
Now, all I see is the US pushing agendas, “we will loan you money, at cost but, we also expect you to push these “woke” agendas” .
(Not just the US, EU as well)
I could link plenty of references but, just playing for the moment, if you don’t know, you don’t know, don’t play

Anyway, now I see both Russia and China lending money, giving money, building infrastructure in Third World or developing economies with no strings.
Yes of course their are strings, everyone who gives away money has strings, expectations
But, no political strings, no brutal financial burdens and absolutely no woke agendas to get the aid
So, if you know, what am I seeing/saying is wrong, be grateful for an education
Now, no personal feelings, no msm sensationalism.
Am I the only one seeing this

[FlyersFan]

 now I see both Russia and China lending money, giving money, building infrastructure in Third World or developing economies with no strings.

  "no strings"  

Yeah ... get in bed with the devil but don't expect any strings attached, he's a good guy ...  

Sure.  

​​​​​​​You are blind.

[Creaky]

  "no strings"  

Yeah ... get in bed with the devil but don't expect any strings attached, he's a good guy ...  

Sure.  

You are blind.

Yeah, unlike the US pushing children to change their sex by cutting of appendages
Great retort 
​​​​​​​These were the replies I hoped to avoid

[FlyersFan]

unlike the US pushing children to change their sex by cutting of appendages

  That's got NOTHING to do with the topic.  It's deflection.

You stated that you think that countries getting into bed with Communist China and expansionist Russia do so with 'no strings' attached.   That's naive at best.   Getting in bed with any country comes with strings attached.   Nothing comes free or without expectations.   And that goes for countries getting in bed with the USA as well.  There are always expectations and influences and outright allowing of those countries (China, Russia, USA, etc) to run things via proxy.

This is basic stuff.   Even kids in high school get it.  Don't know why you don't.

[Creaky]

  That's got NOTHING to do with the topic.  It's deflection.

You stated that you think that countries getting into bed with Communist China and expansionist Russia do so with 'no strings' attached.   That's naive at best.   Getting in bed with any country comes with strings attached.   Nothing comes free or without expectations.   And that goes for countries getting in bed with the USA as well.  There are always expectations and influences and outright allowing of those countries (China, Russia, USA, etc) to run things via proxy.

This is basic stuff.   Even kids in high school get it.  Don't know why you don't.

Actually that is not what I said
Please reread my post
Go away now

[Thetruth]

Well someone clearly hasn't been paying attention.

Maybe have a good look at the details China and Russia have been offering these nations.  
Loan shark comes to mind.

[UltraBudgie]

Anyway, now I see both Russia and China lending money, giving money, building infrastructure in Third World or developing economies with no strings.
Yes of course their are strings, everyone who gives away money has strings, expectations
But, no political strings, no brutal financial burdens and absolutely no woke agendas to get the aid

Could you give examples of this non-agenda-driven altruism, so we can deflectively narrow and deconstruct your argument better understand what you are referring to?

[FlyersFan]

Actually that is not what I said
Please reread my post
Go away now

Actually it is what you said.
You didn't use the words saying what it really was ... getting in bed with a government.
That's the reality .. getting in bed with Communist China and expansionist Russia.
And no, I won't go away.

[Creaky]

Could you give examples of this non-agenda-driven altruism, so we can deflectively narrow and deconstruct your argument better understand what you are referring to?

I was watching on tic tic equivelant an American saying, Rugby was a copy of gridiron, that nobody knew what rugby was and no body cared about rugby and US football was better and had a bigger international following than rugby, globally.
Pure stupidity

Can’t be bothered 
if you don’t know, it’s on you

[FlyersFan]

Pure stupidity ...

.... says the guy who thinks Noahs Ark is a true story.  

Why are you running away from UltraBudgies excellent on topic question?  You are the one putting forward how wonderful  Communist China and expansionist Russia are.  Give examples of the non-agenda-driven altruism you claim ... and show how there are no strings attached.  Show how Communist China and expansionist Russia aren't expecting something in return (which would be a massive miracle since EVERY big nation expects something in return).   You put forward a position for discussion on a forum ... well ... discuss it!