Welcome to the grand illusion

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If you say so.

But this "useful idiots" off to bed. 

"It's goodnight from me... and it's goodnight from him"

[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CU5UPi7STk]

Why do people think you care you are going to bed.  Talk about off subject mod.

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Why do people think you care you are going to bed.  Talk about off subject mod.

I mean, you're either obtuse by design or fail to comprehend decent manners. 

Again, good night. 




Zzzzzz Zzzzzz Zzzzzz.

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Lots of people pushing the UK government grand illusion remind me of the Harry Potter character Umbridge.

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Lots of people pushing the UK government grand illusion remind me of the Harry Potter character Umbridge.

I think most systems would work with decent people in charge. Even a monarchy with a good king could deliver happiness and prosperity. Of course I wouldn't want a monarchy for obvious reasons.

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I think most systems would work with decent people in charge. Even a monarchy with a good king could deliver happiness and prosperity. Of course I wouldn't want a monarchy for obvious reasons.

Accept that whole blood thing being a bases of power, and the king ordering anyone executed at any given time.

Brazen bull
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazen_bull


After finishing construction on the execution device, Perilaus said to Phalaris: "His screams will come to you through the pipes as the tenderest, most pathetic, most melodious of bellowings." Perilaus believed he would receive a reward for his invention. Instead, Phalaris, who was disgusted by these words, ordered its horn sound system to be tested by Perilaus himself, tricking him into getting in the bull. When Perilaus entered, he was immediately locked in and the fire was set, so that Phalaris could hear the sound of Perilaus' screams. Before Perilaus could die, Phalaris ordered him removed from the bull. After freeing him from the bull, Phalaris is then said to have had Perilaus thrown to his death from atop a high cliff. Phalaris himself is claimed to have been killed in the brazen bull when he was overthrown by Telemachus, the ancestor of Theron.[sup][7]

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I’ll pass on any system from communism to monarchy where it’s a one party system resulting in a glorious leader specially until death.

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Accept that whole blood thing being a bases of power, and the king ordering anyone executed at any given time.

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I’ll pass on any system from communism to monarchy where it’s a one party system resulting in a glorious leader specially until death.

I don't think we disagree. I was commenting on human nature really.

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Political diatribes aside, I would have thought the real goal of any education system should be education. 

Or at least in any sort of free nation. 

Such as our own respective nations. 

As to China, the only thing i would say about that is they are the real enemy imho.

 

They hate when you quote Chomsky at them:

Well, that's pretty much what the schools are like, I think: they reward discipline and obedience, and they punish independence of mind. If you happen to be a little innovative, or maybe you forgot to come to school one day because you were reading a book or something, that's a tragedy, that's a crime–because you're not supposed to think, you're supposed to obey, and just proceed through the material in whatever way they require.

And in fact, most of the people who make it through the education system and get into the elite universities are able to do it because they've been willing to obey a lot of stupid orders for years and years–that's the way I did it, for example. Like, you're told by some teacher, "do this," which you know makes no sense whatsoever, but you do it, and if you do it you get thinnest rung, and then you obey the next order, and finally you work your way through and they give you your letters: an awful lot of education is like that, form the very beginning. Some people go along with it because they figure, "Okay, I'll do any stupid thing that asshole says because I want to get ahead"; others do it because they've just internalized the values–but after a while, those two things tend to get sort of blurred. But you do it or else you're put: you ask too many questions and you're going to get in trouble. ¹




¹ https://dayonecomptwo.files.wordpress.co...chools.doc Noam Chomsky: “On Schools”, from Understanding Power, 2002. (2 page doc file)

We are seeing wide spread indoctrination in public schools in the USA with teachers unions more concerned with their positions and keeping the status quo and a political party in power while using students as pawns.

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We are seeing wide spread indoctrination in public schools in the USA with teachers unions more concerned with their positions and keeping the status quo and a political party in power while using students as pawns.

That claim oversimplifies and politicises education.

Your teachers unions don't control the curriculum.

Curriculum standards are set by your education departments and local school boards.

Which are usually elected.

And most teachers aim to educate, not indoctrinate.

Have you ever considered homeschooling your child?

If you don't like the educational system.

Or you feel they are indoctrinating your children.

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That claim oversimplifies and politicises education.

Your teachers unions don't control the curriculum.

Curriculum standards are set by your education departments and local school boards which are usually elected.

And most teachers aim to educate, not indoctrinate.

Have you ever considered homeschooling your child?

If you don't like the educational system.

Or you feel they are indoctrinating your children.

The teachers unions are in bed with the department of education with the teachers union having great influence over the department of education with spending members dues to influence and lobby who goes into the department of education.  

Teachers’ unions bent the Education Dept. to their will — shut it down to throttle their powerBy 
Jonathan Butcher
Published March 11, 2025, 7:05 p.m. ET

https://nypost.com/2025/03/11/opinion/ho...heir-will/

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Have you ever considered homeschooling your child?

Have you ever thought of not sounding like a propaganda rag for big government where I’m  citing sources clearly showing and providing evidence of clear corruption in the US school system.

How about you stop being dismissive about situations in another country you try to white wash while ignoring cited sources.