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[WallFlowerActive]

 From a research center that's a conservative think tank?

Known to be ideologically right-wing.

Critiqued for selective, partisan reporting.

If you say so. 

Just in my area in the largest city in my state ran by democrats.  From just what is on top of my head.  Two separate public schools districts tried to cover up and white wash these two things in the last two years.  

A special needs student threw up was made to eat their own vomite.

A teacher was running a fight club.

These things only were revealed because parents got wind and had to press for investigations by law enforcement.  The school districts acted as barriers with no transparency.  The school districts and teachers unions act like they are running an abusive insane asylum from the 1800’s.

[Ray1990]

And yet the fact is the Teachers Unions and the Department of Education despite huge amounts of money are resulting in poor education compared to other developed countries.  

The US is falling behind because of the DOE and teachers unions bad vision and messed up priorities.

Yet more and more kids are going to school incapable of tying shoe laces or wiping their own arse, schools teach how to use a toothbrush.

The biggest obstacle block to a child's education is always their upbringing.

In other words little neds being raised by bigger neds. Or to be polite, socioeconomic disadvantages tend to negatively affect educational potential within the youth. As mentioned though you can always teach them to tie their own shoelaces and the rest of it.

[UltraBudgie]

Okay, now that that's out of the way, isn't it obvious that education is only one thread of the tapestry?

Truth and clarity paves the way to real revolutionary change. That’s why our rulers spend so much energy trying to obfuscate truth and clarity via propaganda, censorship, Silicon Valley algorithm manipulation, mainstream culture, AI, garbage education systems, and other forms of perception management. They’re doing everything they can to stop us from following the strings of our society’s ailments to the hands up above that are pulling them.

https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/things-a...use-we-are

The lefty I quoted there is so close to following the horseshoe curve around to the conservative right. She just has to acknowledge that socialized big-government systems of welfare dependence are as much a part of the control grid as perception management and crony capitalism.

And how other people's children are educated is very much the problem, as the root of the problem is cultural decay and lassitude that allows unaccountable bureaucrats, plutocrats, and special interest to fill the void and rule in their interest, not the nation's. The solution is to reestablish a culture of self-sufficiency, and it begins at K-12, and that begins by returning control and responsibility for education to the local communities. Certainly eliminate the federal Department of Education and all federal education grants and support, at all levels.

[andy06shake]

Just to my area in the largest city in my state ran by democrats.  Two separate public schools districts tried to cover up and white wash these two things in the last two years.  

A special needs student threw up was made to eat their own vomite.

A teacher was running a fight club.

These things only were revealed because parents got wind and had to press for investigations by law enforcement.  The school districts acted as barriers with no transparency.  The school districts and teachers unions act like they are running an abusive insane asylum from the 1800’s.

So anecdotes now? 

Do you have any credible evidence to back these claims? 

School districts and teachers' unions are heavily regulated.

So systemic abuse of that scale would be virtually impossible. 

Busy now so ile simply leave you to your delusions. 

[WallFlowerActive]

Yet more and more kids are going to school incapable of tying shoe laces or wiping their own arse, schools teach how to use a toothbrush.

The biggest obstacle block to a child's education is always their upbringing.

In other words little neds being raised by bigger neds. Or to be polite, socioeconomic disadvantages tend to negatively affect educational potential within the youth. As mentioned though you can always teach them to tie their own shoelaces and the rest of it.

Funny.  The kids I work with where I volunteer don’t have these problems.  In fact, the poor kids in the area often have better hygiene than the rich kids.  Most poor people I know have the attitude we may be poor, but we don’t have to be dirty butts.

But there are serious drug problems in the USA where the kids of users have those problems.  Where open air drug markets and liberal drug policies don’t help anyone.

[WallFlowerActive]

So anecdotes now? 

Do you have any credible evidence to back these claims? 

School districts and teachers' unions are heavily regulated.

So systemic abuse of that scale would be virtually impossible. 

Busy now so ile simply leave you to your delusions. 

it was in the news.  Parents interviewed.  Law enforcement invoked.  Court cases and sentencing.  People fired.  


With the school districts of the largest city in the state ran by democrats having cases after case trying to whitewash, cover up, and with no effort at being transparent.

[David64]

Sounds like a conspiracy theory dressed up as insight to me.

Teachers unions don't control the Department of Education. 

They're advocacy groups, not puppet masters.

Yes, they lobby, like every major organisation in a democracy.

That's called participating in the political process, not running it.

The Department of Education is influenced by Congress, and thousands of independent policymakers.

It's not a cabal of overworked teachers paying modest union dues.

If unions truly wielded that kind of power, teachers wouldn't still be buying their own classroom supplies or working two jobs to get by. 

Reality, sadly, is far less dramatic.

I think you just hate teachers, WallFlowerActive, because they educate children appropriately.

I've had kids in the system for decades. My oldest is 34, my youngest is 25 and yeah, it's been a few years, but I can tell you it depends on the local system and the teachers. Yes, some will go to the trouble of buying supplies out of their own pocket and there are some who don't give a shit. They are there for a paycheck because they don't know how to do anything else and are just hanging on till they can retire. Not all teachers are like the ones you see on Youtube who tout their own "dedication" to kids. The ones who do that are just looking for attention as in "Look at me, ain't I great ! ? "

Teachers are getting burned out because of lax rules. The kids can get away with just about anything and claim racism, homophobia or "it's just not fair" and get Mommy and Daddy, plus attention seeking lawyers to back them up.

Take a hard look at Randy Weingarten and the American Federation of Teachers and their influence on the D.O.E.

[andy06shake]

it was in the news.  Parents interviewed.  Law enforcement invoked.  Court cases and sentencing.  People fired.  


With the school districts of the largest city in the state ran by democrats having cases after case trying to whitewash, cover up, and with no effort at being transparent.

Then post a link, you're aware of how the burden of proof functions.

The onus is on you to provide evidence to support the claims you make.

You should be able to cherry-pick something surely. 

Again, busy blowing up balloons.

[WallFlowerActive]

The struggles stem from funding inequality, and poverty, not solely unions or the DOE.

More false assurances.  Again the US has one of the highest if not the highest funding per student compared to other developed nations.  That’s fact.  Yet the US education system is falling behind other developed nations.  Which is fact determined by testing.

[andy06shake]

I've had kids in the system for decades. My oldest is 34, my youngest is 25 and yeah, it's been a few years, but I can tell you it depends on the local system and the teachers. Yes, some will go to the trouble of buying supplies out of their own pocket and there are some who don't give a shit. They are there for a paycheck because they don't know how to do anything else and are just hanging on till they can retire. Not all teachers are like the ones you see on Youtube who tout their own "dedication" to kids. The ones who do that are just looking for attention as in "Look at me, ain't I great ! ? "

Teachers are getting burned out because of lax rules. The kids can get away with just about anything and claim racism, homophobia or "it's just not fair" and get Mommy and Daddy, plus attention seeking lawyers to back them up.

Take a hard look at Randy Weingarten and the American Federation of Teachers and their influence on the D.O.E.

Teachers are decent people, David.

There to help our kids, not hurt them.

The majority tick that box. 

But there are bad apples in any batch.

Most though, only wish to see their kids succeed and go on to great things.

At least that's my experience.

My aunt is a teacher, retired now, all the same.

Good people who put up with low pay and a lot of crap.