Welcome to the grand illusion

[WallFlowerActive]

Political diatribes aside, I would have thought the real goal of any education system should be education. 

Really?  You think you get that in a communist system with no free speech.  Talk bad about the ruling party and see how much education opens up to you.  

How’s that right of free speech in the UK.  Where’s that guarantee in the constitution of the UK?  But you all got a king.

[andy06shake]

For K through 12 grades.

Except there is no choice other than the state institutions unless you can afford private schools.

Where the state schools are paid through taxing and the redistribution of wealth determined by the government.  

State school funding is not paid by students.  They are paid by the distribution of wealth from a tax base.

Where the teachers union can go on strike and shutdown schools leaving large portions of the population with no alternatives for school until the strikes are settled.

Are you blatantly this dishonest?

Yadda yadda yadda.
 
You live in a capitalist economy, therefore, you have a capitalist educational system.
 
Just the facts, ma'am.

There is nothing socialist or communist about it.
 
What you are blatantly doing, is looking for an argument and attention.

Public schools are publicly funded because education is a public good, like your roads or emergency services.

Funding through taxes doesn't make it socialist, it's still part of a capitalist system.

And teachers' strikes are legal labor actions, not evidence of socialist control.

You don't half blather some amount of nonsense.

[putnam6]

No, although it was a fantastic album, we're not talking about Styx.

We're talking about the illusion of free stuff....and that's exactly what it is. An illusion. Smoke and mirrors to fool the masses into thinking you're getting something for nothing.

When you go to the bank with your kids or your dog, they give out free candy or dog treats right ? You think "Oh they're such nice people they gave my dog a free treat" lol. No. It wasn't. They could have given you the whole damn box and it still wasn't free. You already paid for it through banking and ATM fees.

You think you have free healthcare ? No. You have pre paid healthcare that you've paid in to from the day you got that first paycheck and Will Continue to pay for the rest of your life....or at least somebody will and as long as it's not you, everything's fine, innit ?

Free bus rides ? Nope. If you've paid taxes, that ride has already been paid for and you will keep paying for it as long as you work in that city.

Now, if you want truly free, get your government to abolish any form of taxes and just start printing money. That comes with a whole new set of problems, but who cares right ?

As long as it's free.

Being disciplined, responsible, and accountable are irrefutable and rarely achieved benchmarks for governments and politicians  

These 3 traits are essential for most individuals as well,

[andy06shake]

Really?  You think you get that in a communist system with no free speech.  Talk bad about the ruling party and see how much education opens up to you.  

How’s that right of free speech in the UK.  Where’s that guarantee in the constitution of the UK?  But you all got a king.

I don't live under a communist system and neither do you, so....

As to free speech in the UK, ask JD Vance, he got to see our free speech in action last time he holidayed in the UK.   

• A van with a large meme-image of Vance (bald/altered) drove around the area, as part of local protests.
  
• Locals held a “Not Welcome Party” in Charlbury (near the hamlet of Dean) carrying placards like “Go home” and “Vance you are not welcome.”
  

We have no single constitution, free speech is protected by statute and common law here. 

There are 85 countries classified as free around the globe, and the US and UK are only two of such. 

We can say pretty much as we please about political parties here in the UK without bothering about being blackballed from education.

As long as we are not inciting violence or promoting hatred. 

You always have to be educated on places you obviously know nothing about. 

And even when you are informed as to the lay of the land, you seem to get angry about, or wish to find fault with, other people's rule of law.

We do have a king, but we live under a constitutional monarchy and a parliamentary democracy. 

King Charles had limited and mostly ceremonial powers, so....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship...ed_Kingdom
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/free-speech-f...uman-right
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiExa6K5LW8 (perfect example of free speech, Warning: possibly offensive content)

[WallFlowerActive]

As to free speech in the UK, ask JD Vance, he got to see our free speech in action last time he holidayed in the UK.   

And yet there are hate speech laws?

And how often do your politicians win a slander suit in the UK vs politicians in the USA?

[andy06shake]

And yet there are hate speech laws?

And how often do your politicians win a slander suit in the UK vs politicians in the USA?

Yes, the UK has hate speech laws.

They exist to prevent direct incitement of hatred or violence, not to suppress opinions.

It's about protecting people from harm, not censoring thought.

As for slander, i think that's would be called "defamation" under UK law.

Our politicians win far more often than American politicians because UK libel law heavily favors the claimant.

So no, it's not hypocrisy, it's a different legal philosophy.

Different laws of the land, and different strokes, for different folks.

Anyhoo, that's my bedtime, or thereabouts.

"Hey! Let's be careful out there." 

[WallFlowerActive]

I don't live under a communist system and neither do you, so....

As to free speech in the UK, ask JD Vance, he got to see our free speech in action last time he holidayed in the UK.   

 

DAN GAINOR: England doesn’t have free speech and wants to take ours away, tooForeign government censorship poses 'clear and present danger to United States'https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/dan-gain...ay-too.amp

Just ask comedian Graham Linehan. Five Metropolitan police arrested him for his posts about transgender men who claim they are women. The arrest itself looked like something from a Monty Python skit mocking a fascist state, not from a democracy that has turned into one. The police statement about the incident is terrifying: "The man in his 50s was arrested on suspicion of inciting violence. This is in relation to posts on X." He is not English, he’s Irish and the comments he made were while he was here in the United States.

Post about grand illusion.  Having a government that violates free speech to protect stupid men that think they are women.  Makes you wonder what kind of useful idiots the UK government is after.

[WallFlowerActive]

They exist to prevent direct incitement of hatred or violence, not to suppress opinions.

They are being abused to control political speech.

[WallFlowerActive]

Yes, the UK has hate speech laws.

They exist to prevent direct incitement of hatred or violence, not to suppress opinions.

It's about protecting people from harm, not censoring thought.

As for slander, i think that's would be called "defamation" under UK law.

Our politicians win far more often than American politicians because UK libel law heavily favors the claimant.

So no, it's not hypocrisy, it's a different legal philosophy.

Different laws of the land, and different strokes, for different folks. 

Posting the grand illusion?

Anything You Say Can Be Used Against You: The UK’s Disastrous Destruction of Free Speech

https://c2cjournal.ca/2025/05/anything-y...ee-speech/


Great Britain, once the cradle of free expression, now has the Western world’s most draconian anti-free-speech laws. Any British citizen can be investigated for a “Non-crime Hate Incident” instigated by any aggrieved “victim” who objects to anything they say or post on social media. Complainants needn’t provide evidence of harm or intent, and even if an accused person is not convicted, the incident remains on their record. John Weissenberger explains the rise of the UK’s dangerous legal regime and lays bare its troubling consequences. Massive resources are dedicated to policing speech and even thoughts – while real crime throughout the British Isles spirals out of control. Worse, those who protest the state’s indifference to increasing lawlessness find themselves in the justice system’s crosshairs. And Canada, Weissenberger warns, could soon travel down this same road.

The UK has socialised and “unionised” speech so any person can feel the victim and silence people because they have an opposing viewpoint.  Now that is authoritarian.

[andy06shake]

 



Post about grand illusion.  Having a government that violates free speech to protect stupid men that think they are women.  Makes you wonder what kind of useful idiots the UK government is after.

If you say so.

But this "useful idiots" off to bed. 

"It's goodnight from me... and it's goodnight from him"