US-Iran War Mudpit Thread

[CriticalStinker]

So you'd be okay allowing them to sponsor terrorism throughout the globe and then eventually get nukes?

They could have shut down both straits, hit pipelines and more production. They didn’t, and stayed within similar lines of aggression in both wars. I don’t think people can state as fact that they were going for nukes and would use them when they haven’t done other very decorating things for the whole planet.

Thats not me defending them, or saying their government isn’t anything other than oppressive. But after previous wars and justifications we’ve used I think history points to be skeptical of our reasons for war.

Like with Venezuela when we said drugs and oppressive government only to admit it was for oil and didn’t change anything there.

[DBCowboy]

Making an executive order trying to negate an amendment is the most direct challenge I can think of.

And it was challenged, wasn't it?

That's how the system works

[DBCowboy]

They could have shut down both straits, hit pipelines and more production. They didn’t, and stayed within similar lines of aggression in both wars. I don’t think people can state as fact that they were going for nukes and would use them when they haven’t done other very decorating things for the whole planet.

Thats not me defending them, or saying their government isn’t anything other than oppressive. But after previous wars and justifications we’ve used I think history points to be skeptical of our reasons for war.

Like with Venezuela when we said drugs and oppressive government only to admit it was for oil and didn’t change anything there.

Money makes the world go 'round.

It's naive to think otherwise.

[CriticalStinker]

And it was challenged, wasn't it?

That's how the system works

That's not how the system works.

Supreme Court interprets, they don't write or change. Congress does.

Executive orders are not more powerful than the constitution. 

But you and I clearly aren't going to agree on any of this. Luckily for you, my position will not be the winning one anyways. Presidents get to do what they want now, and the next one will have a lot of leeway after this.

[cherokeetroy]

WTF???

You're saying Trump doesn't align with the Constitution?

How?

Trump is aligned with whatever increases his bank deposits

That's his primary priority

Everything else is secondary

[chr0naut]

WTF???

You're saying Trump doesn't align with the Constitution?

How?

Trump is continually having his actions (such as; his Executive Orders, his sackings of duly elected and appointed officials, and prosecution of military conflicts without Constitutional engagement), reversed by judges due to the unconstitutionality of those actions and orders. He has also continued taking several actions despite them being ruled unconstitutional and illegal.

Here are sites which examine exactly that:

Trump's Constitutional Violations: A Comprehensive Review

List of times Trump violated the Constitution

What’s a constitutional crisis? Here’s how Trump’s recent moves are challenging the Constitution

A Federal Judge Lists 8 Ways That Trump Violated the Constitution by Punishing a Disfavored Law Firm

Challenging the Rule of Law: Trump’s Controversial Actions Spark Constitutional Debates and Legal Battles Across the Nation

[chr0naut]

I'm talking policies, not trolling the media.

FFS

If he ran again, I'd be against it.

Though I'd still vote for him for the lutz.

So, for the lulz, you'd defy the Constitution?

[DBCowboy]

That's not how the system works.

Supreme Court interprets, they don't write or change. Congress does.

Executive orders are not more powerful than the constitution. 

But you and I clearly aren't going to agree on any of this. Luckily for you, my position will not be the winning one anyways. Presidents get to do what they want now, and the next one will have a lot of leeway after this.

Now they have the opportunity to interpret.

[DBCowboy]

Trump is continually having his actions (such as; his Executive Orders, his sackings of duly elected and appointed officials, and prosecution of military conflicts without Constitutional engagement), reversed by judges due to the unconstitutionality of those actions and orders. He has also continued taking several actions despite them being ruled unconstitutional and illegal.

Here are sites which examine exactly that:

Trump's Constitutional Violations: A Comprehensive Review

List of times Trump violated the Constitution

What’s a constitutional crisis? Here’s how Trump’s recent moves are challenging the Constitution

A Federal Judge Lists 8 Ways That Trump Violated the Constitution by Punishing a Disfavored Law Firm

Challenging the Rule of Law: Trump’s Controversial Actions Spark Constitutional Debates and Legal Battles Across the Nation

It's lower court activist leftist judges ffs!

[DBCowboy]

So, for the lulz, you'd defy the Constitution?

Like it would matter.

Dear God, relax.