US-Iran War Mudpit Thread

[quintessentone]

Iran has been threatening the US for nearly 50 years, which means this isn't new
It's continues, ongoing hostility spanning decades

During the ongoing hostility, Trump condemned Obama over potentially starting conflict with Iran, calling him a poor negotiator 

https://x.com/amconmag/status/2029987468347387931?s=20
[Image: https://i.imgur.com/pEmXzbS.jpeg]

Also, During the ongoing hostility, Trump boasted about being the Peace President, promising no new wars, no disruption 

https://x.com/mmpadellan/status/20073754...77536?s=20

MAGA cheered


Obviously, there was a long span of time when people were very willing to tolerate living under Iran's threats

That includes Trump

It seems your government and people are also willing to tolerate threats from North Korea and Russia, especially Russia considering the history between both your countries and they are now calling USA actions as 'piracy'.

[putnam6]

It's getting repetitive and a bit pedantic, and contrary to denying ignorance

for a different perspective

Im sure sending pallets of Obama cash worked wonders to slow down Iran's nuclear efforts, right? 

Helped bankroll Hamas and Hezbollah for the next 15 years 

Overall, in 2011 Iran was a "threshold" state: it possessed substantial technical know-how, infrastructure, and stockpiles that put it closer to a bomb than most non-nuclear states, but it had not crossed into building or testing a weapon. The November 2011 IAEA report heightened international alarm, contributing to escalated sanctions, but Iran did not have "nuclear capabilities" in the sense of deliverable weapons. Tensions later led to the 2015 JCPOA, which aimed to extend breakout time significantly.

Iran poses a significantly greater nuclear threat in 2026 compared to 2011, primarily due to dramatic advancements in its uranium enrichment program before major setbacks from military strikes. However, the situation is now complicated by recent U.S. and Israeli military actions that have damaged infrastructure, though key risks—particularly Iran's pre-strike highly enriched uranium stockpile—persist.

[cherokeetroy]

It's getting repetitive and a bit pedantic, and contrary to denying ignorance

for a different perspective

Im sure sending pallets of Obama cash worked wonders to slow down Iran's nuclear efforts, right? 

Helped bankroll Hamas and Hezbollah for the next 15 years 

I wonder if Trump would call that effective 

or weak

[CriticalStinker]

It's getting repetitive and a bit pedantic, and contrary to denying ignorance

for a different perspective

Im sure sending pallets of Obama cash worked wonders to slow down Iran's nuclear efforts, right? 

Helped bankroll Hamas and Hezbollah for the next 15 years 

I think the deny ignorance back in late June could have looked repetitive and a bit pedantic too. But here we are. 

It was in this very thread, I remember people dunking on anyone critical that we had just set the whole conflict back by years. The narrative was that it neutered the nuclear program. We had to do that so that we didn't have to get involved in a more demanding conflict. 

I propose we break the cycle of repetitiveness. I think I had asked the question a few pages back, but I never got a serious hit.

What do you think are the clear objectives before we can say we won?

[Astyanax]

Mojtaba Khamenei will not appear in public for a very long time, if ever. He doesn’t need to. It is more useful for the Iranian regime to be headed by an invisible, invulnerable Imam. He can be anywhere and everywhere, say and do whatever the regime requires him to, validate any policy or action it chooses to implement, and still remain blameless and inviolate no matter what mistakes it makes or atrocites it perpetrates.

Iranians, for the most part, will be quite comfortable with this. In Shia Islam, the concept of occultation is widespread. The Mahdi, a sort of Shia Messiah, is to remain ‘occulted’ (basically, hidden) until it is time for him to appear and inaugurate the Day of Judgement. The invisibility of Mojtaba plays well with this mythology and may reinforce rather than diminish his power. It also fits in well with the behaviour of his predecessors: neither Khomeini nor Khamenei put themselves about much in public.

Trump and Netanyahu are at war against the Invisible Man.

[Sky727]

I have wondered where some of the false talking points came from in this thread. You can usually tell the CNN and Euronews fed posters.

[Sky727]

Looks like a cease fire starts in 6 hours between Iran and Israel

[cherokeetroy]

Wall of text [crash out]

"TRUMP: “Those that speak ill of Mark [Levin] will quickly fall by the wayside, as do the people whose ideas, policies, and footings are not sound. THEY ARE NOT MAGA, I AM.”

https://x.com/TheChiefNerd/status/203337...02600?s=20



I wonder if this is in response to Megyn Kelly's "Micropenis Mark" comment, earlier

https://x.com/megynkelly/status/20331680...78860?s=20

[cherokeetroy]

Another wall of text:

"President Trump suggests media outlets could face “treason” charges over Iran war reporting. In an interview with FT, Trump also warned NATO could face a “very bad” future if European allies refuse to assist U.S. efforts to reopen the Strait of Hormuz. Trump demanded Europe and China deploy forces such as minesweepers and commando units, arguing they rely more heavily on Gulf oil than the U.S. He also said Washington could strike Iran’s Kharg Island again, this time attacking its oil export hub. He said his upcoming summit at the end of March with Xi Jinping could be delayed if Beijing does not help unblock the waterway. “I think China should help too because China gets 90 per cent of its oil from the Straits [sic],” Trump said. He suggested waiting until the summit would be too late."

https://x.com/DropSiteNews/status/203335...23232?s=20

[Astyanax]

Looks like a cease fire starts in 6 hours between Iran and Israel

That video is eight months old.