US-Iran War Mudpit Thread

[Orby]

Influence between wealthy people, their businesses, and government is real, Orby.

Recorded history perfectly illustrates that fact.

But that does not prove a religious or ethnic group "rules the world." 

Money talks, Orby, and also makes our world spin, nothing changes in that respect...

They don't "rule the world" far from it, indeed it's much diminished from decades ago, yet their influence over USA foreign policy is real, exists and is very powerful. That's all really. As that is combined with all the other factors that have led us to the SMO going on right now with Iran. You can't kill hundreds of US Marines etc and expect to get away with it forever. You can't keep plotting to engage in terror activities around the planet and not get on the wrong side of the worlds policeman. You can not try and take over nations like Lebanon, Syria etc by using proxies and expect to get away with it forever. The worlds policeman will be on to you at some point. You can't expect that the Gulf itself, absolutely rammed with military hardware will stay peaceful and no clash will happen, be it planned or accidental. So many reasons we are, where we are Andy.

[andy06shake]

They don't "rule the world" far from it, indeed it's much diminished from decades ago, yet their influence over USA foreign policy is real, exists and is very powerful. That's all really. As that is combined with all the other factors that have led us to the SMO going on right now with Iran. You can't kill hundreds of US Marines etc and expect to get away with it forever. You can't keep plotting to engage in terror activities around the planet and not get on the wrong side of the worlds policeman. You can not try and take over nations like Lebanon, Syria etc by using proxies and expect to get away with it forever. The worlds policeman will be on you at some point. You can't expect that the Gulf itself, absolutely rammed with military hardware will stay peaceful and no clash will happen, be it planned or accidental. So many reasons we are, where we are Andy.

The problem being your "world's policeman" routine is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.

The US isn't some cosmic sheriff with a badge and a perfect record, Orby.

It's a country with interests, allies, and a very long list of problems just like many another nation around the globe.

Iran has done plenty of harmful things, but pretending every conflict is simply "good cop vs bad guy" is childish.

Nations don't invade or sanction each other because morality suddenly appeared.

They do it because of power and resources.

Don't try to make it about morality, Orby.

The reason they are there is plain and simply...

And it's not for the Iranian people.

[chr0naut]

Well I have no idea what you are going to do about stopping it! Because people like you and me don't count, what we gonna do? Protest? Get a few placards, grown your hair, get some dreads, rainbow sweater, pair of nice leather sandals.......... TPTB couldn't care less about us. We can't do anything. Higher powers have decided that Iran will be put back a few decades and that, is just, the way it is. You will have to accept it! If it makes you poorer then I feel for you, but they will do what they will do. There is nothing whatsoever, that you and me can do. Higher forces want the destruction of another threat and they are doing what they do. Get ready for whoever they choose next too, there will always be another threat to eliminate 

I'm not allowing myself to be a victim.

I have been there, a foundational worker in a political party that subsequently achieved coalition government of a country for two terms. It's do-able.

[quintessentone]

Er? USA has lost hardly any lives, that's caring. Plus if the States really didn't care about the locals their MIC can eliminate Iran in no time completely. You know that, so please, refrain from your lies.

We really don't know the extent of lost American lives there because your state media isn't transparent nor your government leaders. Talk of boots on the ground next? It will be a slaughter? That is not caring that is desperation from a government who were failing before attacking this sovereign country to give the American people what they wanted and what they voted for..."NO MORE WARS" "AFFORDABILITY" "MAKE AMERICAN GREAT AGAIN". Your government are bought and paid for and are now taking away more and more social programs from the people is that because they care so much?

The lies are coming from your government and state media, get wise.

"Independent outlets and investigative reporting raise questions about broader tallies and reporting practices, producing conflicting figures and claims of withheld or altered counts "

"News organizations reporting the 13 figure limit their scope to U.S. service members confirmed killed in combat or in operational incidents connected to the war; they typically exclude U.S. contractors and foreign allies unless specified [sup][1][/sup][sup][2][/sup]. By contrast, investigative pieces and trackers that compile wider casualty rolls include contractors, civilian Defense Department personnel, and possibly wounded later dying of injuries — categories that expand the human toll but are treated differently across sources [sup][4][/sup][sup][5][/sup]. Publicly available Pentagon and CENTCOM releases have at times separated these categories, contributing to confusion about a single “American” death toll."

https://factually.co/fact-checks/militar...war-41e820