UAP/UFO stuff

[AlienSun]

Without the means to actually bring down a UAP in the citizen/scientific community we will never have full disclosure, until ET bypasses government and comes directly to us. I don't expect that to happen during my lifetime and I want it now. The drones over cities, I believe, are advanced man-made tech, and if the purpose was to 'prepare' us for disclosure then why follow up with 'it's ours'? That does not make sense.

I used MUFON as an example (none of us know what MUFON would do given the means to retrieve UAPs), but we also have Avi Loeb, the Tedesco Brothers, and others that through various methods can only film/monitor these sightings. We need to bring the physical unmanned probes/UAPs down for study outside the government, is my point, and nobody seems to want to go there, yet.

MUFON offers field investigation training, imagine what other training/activities they could develop with the monetary means to do so, maybe even retrieval (?)

"We need to bring the physical unmanned probes/UAPs down for study outside the government, is my point, and nobody seems to want to go there, yet.

MUFON offers field investigation training, imagine what other training/activities they could develop with the monetary means to do so, maybe even retrieval (?)"

To put it mildly, these two points are not rational given what decades and decades of governmental control of the situation have conclusively shown or not shown.  You seem stuck on wanting the hardware!  What earthly powers that exist that has more resources than government?
 
This matter is not about hardware.  This site has a dozen or more stories about recovered hardware by governments. It all comes down to secrets far deeper than null-mass ships.  Secrets that most human minds are not ready to accept or understand.    

You claimed to be an abductee.  Where is the interest in understanding the mind control techniques the ETs use on abductees?  Where is the interest that ties the "ancient astronauts" with the many similar but largely unfathomable ruins of prior, unknown civilizations around the world? Beyond these associated and yet unexamined details of the intrusion of ETs into our world, where are discussions of what sort of cosmic brotherhood (or not) may be their driving force?  I don't see that MUFON has a place in any of it.

[quintessentone]

"We need to bring the physical unmanned probes/UAPs down for study outside the government, is my point, and nobody seems to want to go there, yet.

MUFON offers field investigation training, imagine what other training/activities they could develop with the monetary means to do so, maybe even retrieval (?)"

To put it mildly, these two points are not rational given what decades and decades of governmental control of the situation have conclusively shown or not shown.  You seem stuck on wanting the hardware!  What earthly powers that exist that has more resources than government?
 
This matter is not about hardware.  This site has a dozen or more stories about recovered hardware by governments. It all comes down to secrets far deeper than null-mass ships.  Secrets that most human minds are not ready to accept or understand.    

You claimed to be an abductee.  Where is the interest in understanding the mind control techniques the ETs use on abductees?  Where is the interest that ties the "ancient astronauts" with the many similar but largely unfathomable ruins of prior, unknown civilizations around the world? Beyond these associated and yet unexamined details of the intrusion of ETs into our world, where are discussions of what sort of cosmic brotherhood (or not) may be their driving force?  I don't see that MUFON has a place in any of it.

Just because you have a problem with MUFON does not mean everyone does. They've been around 50 years plus, so they are doing something right in the eyes of most people. MUFON already has trained investigators, so I think that would be a good start.

Why dismiss government/military mind control?

We don't trust government, they are not transparent. Even recently with the drones over NJ where, after the fact, FAA suddenly remembers it's their project? That's suspect.

I am always trying to learn more about ancient ties to aliens. I was just delving into the Book of Enoch, which was stricken from the Bible (except the orthodox one in Africa), which tells us, in no uncertain terms, how 200 aliens decided to mate with human females to create a species of human that we have become today.

Are you saying there are not enough threads about these types of topics?

I never claimed to be an abductee, I claim to be a contactee, two different things.

As for the cosmic connection we all have, we do have it. We just don't have the desire or knowledge in learning how to tap into it. We are not very evolved that way, it would appear.

As for the hardware, for me, examining it independently with our own citizens/scientists/UFO investigators may answer some questions the government does not want us to know.

[Sirius]

"We need to bring the physical unmanned probes/UAPs down for study outside the government, is my point, and nobody seems to want to go there, yet.

MUFON offers field investigation training, imagine what other training/activities they could develop with the monetary means to do so, maybe even retrieval (?)"

To put it mildly, these two points are not rational given what decades and decades of governmental control of the situation have conclusively shown or not shown.  You seem stuck on wanting the hardware!  What earthly powers that exist that has more resources than government?
 
This matter is not about hardware.  This site has a dozen or more stories about recovered hardware by governments. It all comes down to secrets far deeper than null-mass ships.  Secrets that most human minds are not ready to accept or understand.    

You claimed to be an abductee.  Where is the interest in understanding the mind control techniques the ETs use on abductees?  Where is the interest that ties the "ancient astronauts" with the many similar but largely unfathomable ruins of prior, unknown civilizations around the world? Beyond these associated and yet unexamined details of the intrusion of ETs into our world, where are discussions of what sort of cosmic brotherhood (or not) may be their driving force?  I don't see that MUFON has a place in any of it.

You don't want to do any of that, outclassed and outmatched doesn't even come close. Your going to see ships the size of mountains

[quintessentone]

You don't want to do any of that, outclassed and outmatched doesn't even come close. Your going to see ships the size of mountains

The intent is to bring down unmanned drones to see if the tech is hybrid (half human, half ET) and if weaponized or not, or having mind control tech. Maybe it is the beginning of a dystopian 1984 and we aren't reading the clues right.

[Sirius]

The intent is to bring down unmanned drones to see if the tech is hybrid (half human, half ET) and if weaponized or not, or having mind control tech. Maybe it is the beginning of a dystopian 1984 and we aren't reading the clues right.

Police state is on my mind, don't worry.  The quantum computers can just pick the crimes right out of your thoughts or something like it.

[quintessentone]

Police state is on my mind, don't worry.  The quantum computers can just pick the crimes right out of your thoughts or something like it.

Not yet, Elon is still working on a prototype, but this one puts the 'right' thoughts in your head.

[Nerb]

What earthly powers that exist that has more resources than government?

"The People".

Half the trick is understanding that the word "Government" literally means "Control Of The Mind".

[AlienSun]

Just because you have a problem with MUFON does not mean everyone does. They've been around 50 years plus, so they are doing something right in the eyes of most people. MUFON already has trained investigators, so I think that would be a good start.

Why dismiss government/military mind control?

We don't trust government, they are not transparent. Even recently with the drones over NJ where, after the fact, FAA suddenly remembers it's their project? That's suspect.

I am always trying to learn more about ancient ties to aliens. I was just delving into the Book of Enoch, which was stricken from the Bible (except the orthodox one in Africa), which tells us, in no uncertain terms, how 200 aliens decided to mate with human females to create a species of human that we have become today.

Are you saying there are not enough threads about these types of topics?

I never claimed to be an abductee, I claim to be a contactee, two different things.

As for the cosmic connection we all have, we do have it. We just don't have the desire or knowledge in learning how to tap into it. We are not very evolved that way, it would appear.

As for the hardware, for me, examining it independently with our own citizens/scientists/UFO investigators may answer some questions the government does not want us to know.

You wrote, "I never claimed to be an abductee, I claim to be a contactee, two different things."
I'm sorry to have misread your earlier claim.  Could you provide us with some details of your contactee experience and how it relates to your position on the so-called drones? 
That is puzzling. 
I've stated my position that I suspect they are simply an aspect of the Disclosure program to get the public alerted to the ET presence by displaying some of our advance toys. Or maybe it is a joint effort, marvelous craft of the ETs mixed with some of our lesser stuff.

[quintessentone]

Could you provide us with some details of your contactee experience and how it relates to your position on the so-called drones? 

I gave my full and free permission to the greys after they explained to me their mission for our species and it's to help us survive.

The drones seem to me to be out of place, if you will, in helping us. How do drones hovering over our heads help us?

If ETs (other than the greys) have an agreement with a shadow elite sect, then it can come to no good for us. We need disclosure and transparency to perhaps prepare to protect our planet, us and them from themselves.

[Sirius]

The government is secular, that's why it can't say anything.