Trump says he bombed Iran

[PorkChop96]

Why would Trump stick his nose in the oil/gas industry there if you don't need the oil/gas there? Isolationism was one of his campaign promises, right?

And asking legit questions as to your dear leader's motivations in the middle east is not political baiting, it's asking for legit answers to why his actions go opposite to his campaign promises.

Dealing with Iran threatening the world economy with stupid cry baby stunts is not saying we are in need of anyone's gas and oil supply. Looking out for the greater good is what we elected Trump to do, and guess what dealing with this would be doing..........


You know exactly what you were doing when you posted it, but think what you want dude.

[quintessentone]

Dealing with Iran threatening the world economy with stupid cry baby stunts is not saying we are in need of anyone's gas and oil supply. Looking out for the greater good is what we elected Trump to do, and guess what dealing with this would be doing..........


You know exactly what you were doing when you posted it, but think what you want dude.

Trump is getting your country into a forever war there, is that why he was voted in? Serves his purpose, in that, during war time no elections can be had, right?

I am asking legit questions and the greater good is not Israel first, or is it?

[PorkChop96]

Trump is getting your country into a forever war there, is that why he was voted in? Serves his purpose, in that, during war time no elections can be had, right?

I am asking legit questions and the greater good is not Israel first, or is it?

Oh I'm sorry, exactly where is the war? Who declared war on who?   Oh that's right, the only ones saying that Trump started a war are those who have no clue, you are case in point for that one.

The US was in war time for the last 20+ years, how many elections did we have in that time frame? 

Who said that defending the shipping of oil and gas was putting Israel first? Do you even know what you are talking about at this point?

[quintessentone]

Oh I'm sorry, exactly where is the war? Who declared war on who?   Oh that's right, the only ones saying that Trump started a war are those who have no clue, you are case in point for that one.

The US was in war time for the last 20+ years, how many elections did we have in that time frame? 

Who said that defending the shipping of oil and gas was putting Israel first? Do you even know what you are talking about at this point?

I certainly do know what I am talking about at this point and so does Colonel Macgregor who knows more than you from my standpoint.

[PorkChop96]

I certainly do know what I am talking about at this point and so does Colonel Macgregor who knows more than you from my standpoint.

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Someone who has not been a part of any administration for over 4 years, and that was only part of Trumps admin for 3 months, does not know what is going on behind closed doors. He can speculate, but that is all that is going to come from him.

[quintessentone]

Someone who has not been a part of any administration for over 4 years, and that was only part of Trumps admin for 3 months, does not know what is going on behind closed doors. He can speculate, but that is all that is going to come from him.

Convenient explanation for you to continue your Trump-loving forever war mongering.

He has many witnesses and contacts where it counts, you did not know that because you don't want to hear the facts as they exist now. And if he does speculate, he admits it, but mostly he has inside information whereas you only have Trump propaganda from a government that has trashed all transparency.

[UltraBudgie]

a government that has trashed all transparency.

on the contrary, i think it's all become pretty transparent, don't you?

now, honesty about it's transparency, that's another story. but that may be a bridge too far.

[PorkChop96]

Convenient explanation for you to continue your Trump-loving forever war mongering.

He has many witnesses and contacts where it counts, you did not know that because you don't want to hear the facts as they exist now. And if he does speculate, he admits it, but mostly he has inside information whereas you only have Trump propaganda from a government that has trashed all transparency.

If I was "forever war mongering" don't you think that I would be championing Trump starting WW3? Oh wait, I'm not, fucking dunce

If you think for one second that anyone, who actually lives in a specific country, doesn't know that ex military have contacts across the board you are as simple headed as you are ignorant. Military people talk, yes. But that does not automatically insinuate that they trade classified information. Mainly because it is illegal to do so to someone who does not have the proper need to know, which retired personnel do not. Ask me how I know, oh wait, you won't because you will claim you already know more than I do about anything in my own country.

[putnam6]

They may simply have the capability to track the vessels, if those vessels were foolish enough to attempt mining the Strait of Hormuz in the first place.

Once mines are deployed, it's likely that their locations or coordinates could be geo-tagged in real time.

Make the subsequent mine-sweeping operations significantly easier and more efficient, as forces would already have a rough map of where to focus their efforts.

Here's an in-depth article. It seems the threat has passed somewhat; they were concerned during the 12 days that Iran would mine the Strait, but it's not as much of a continuing threat as it was.


https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-eas...025-07-01/

• Summary
  

• Mines loaded last month, raising fears of blockade
  
• Mining would have severely harmed global commerce
  
• U.S. has not ruled out possibility that loading the mines was a ruse
  

WASHINGTON, July 1 (Reuters) - The Iranian military loaded naval mines onto vessels in the Persian Gulf last month, a move that intensified concerns in Washington that Tehran was gearing up to blockade the Strait of Hormuz following Israel's strikes on sites across Iran, according to two U.S. officials.
The previously unreported preparations, which were detected by U.S. intelligence, occurred some time after Israel launched its initial missile attack against Iran on June 13, said the officials, who requested anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence matters.The Reuters Daily Briefing newsletter provides all the news you need to start your day. Sign up here.
The loading of the mines - which have not been deployed in the strait - suggests that Tehran may have been serious about closing one of the world's busiest shipping lanes, a move that would have escalated an already-spiraling conflict and severely hobbled global commerce.

About one-fifth of global oil and gas shipments pass through the Strait of Hormuz and a blockage would likely have spiked world energy prices.
Global benchmark oil prices have instead fallen more than 10% since the U.S. strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities, driven in part by relief that the conflict did not trigger significant disruptions in the oil trade.
On June 22, shortly after the U.S. bombed three of Iran's key nuclear sites in a bid to cripple Tehran's nuclear program, Iran's parliament reportedly backed a measure to block the strait.
That decision was not binding, and it was up to Iran's Supreme National Security Council to make a final decision on the closure, Iran's Press TV said at the time. Iran has over the years threatened to close the strait but has never followed through on that threat.
Reuters was not able to determine precisely when during the Israel-Iran air war Tehran loaded the mines, which - if deployed - would have effectively stopped ships from moving through the key thoroughfare.
It is also unclear if the mines have since been unloaded.
The sources did not disclose how the United States determined that the mines had been put on the Iranian vessels, but such intelligence is typically gathered through satellite imagery, clandestine human sources or a combination of both methods.
Asked for comment about Iran's preparations, a White House official said: "Thanks to the President’s brilliant execution of Operation Midnight Hammer, successful campaign against the Houthis, and maximum pressure campaign, the Strait of Hormuz remains open, freedom of navigation has been restored, and Iran has been significantly weakened."
The Pentagon did not immediately respond to a request for comment. The Iranian mission at the United Nations also did not respond to requests for comment.KEY THOROUGHFAREThe two officials said the U.S. government has not ruled out the possibility that loading the mines was a ruse. The Iranians could have prepared the mines to convince Washington that Tehran was serious about closing the strait, but without intending to do so, the officials said.
Iran's military could have also simply been making necessary preparations in the event that Iran's leaders gave the order.
The Strait of Hormuz lies between Oman and Iran and links the Persian Gulf with the Gulf of Oman to the south and the Arabian Sea beyond.
It is 21 miles (34 km) wide at its narrowest point, with the shipping lane just 2 miles wide in either direction.
OPEC members Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait and Iraq export most of their crude via the strait, mainly to Asia. Qatar, among the world's biggest liquefied natural gas exporters, sends almost all of its LNG through the strait.
Iran also exports most of its crude through the passage, which in theory limits Tehran's appetite to shut the strait. But Tehran has nonetheless dedicated significant resources to making sure it can do so if it deems necessary.
As of 2019, Iran maintained more than 5,000 naval mines, which could be rapidly deployed with the help of small, high-speed boats, the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency estimated at the time.
The U.S. Fifth Fleet, which is based in Bahrain, is charged with protecting commerce in the region. The U.S. Navy has typically kept four mine countermeasure vessels, or MCM vessels, in Bahrain, though those ships are being replaced by another type of vessel called a littoral combat ship, or LCS, which also has anti-mine capabilities.
All anti-mine ships had been temporarily removed from Bahrain in the days leading up to the U.S. strikes on Iran in anticipation of a potential retaliatory attack on Fifth Fleet headquarters.
Ultimately, Iran's immediate retaliation was limited to a missile attack on a U.S. military base in nearby Qatar.
U.S. officials, however, have not ruled out further retaliatory measures by Iran.Reporting by Gram Slattery and Phil Stewart in Washington; Additional reporting by Michelle Nichols at the United Nations and Jonathan Saul in London; Editing by Don Durfee and Matthew Lewis

[quintessentone]

on the contrary, i think it's all become pretty transparent, don't you?

now, honesty about it's transparency, that's another story. but that may be a bridge too far.

I absolutely do not think it has become transparent in any sense of the word. The onslaught to make the poor poorer has only just begun and Trump's priorities are not at home nor for the people of your country. There is no way to follow the money now.

There can be no transparency when Trump seems to wake up each day and create more chaos, which I believe are distraction tactics away from his involvement with Epstein (Musk has dirt on him), his failing tariffs and no deals, his need for a forever war to secure his seat indefinitely, etc. Even these are not transparent because of the chaos.

It's just what I see and hear from other Americans and my opinion in a current events discussion on a public forum (and Trump's polling stats, and your falling dollar, and democratic socialism seemingly being the better choice as in NYC, etc.)