Trump says he bombed Iran

[putnam6]

Seems to be a huge push for Reza Pahlavi...will it grow or will it fizzle. 



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[putnam6]

I see three possibilities:

1. They meant it, and intend for it to happen.
   
2. They're saving face after a humiliating blow.
   
3. Iranian factions are trying to force the hand of their government, or the West is priming the pump for furthering the conflict.
   

I think for the most part, most mainstream ideas of Iran are wrong. The idea they've been racing towards a nuke just so they can use it has some holes IMO. The premise is built on that they're a suicidal religious cult regime. 

I'll be fair and say it's certainly an extremist religious dictatorship. But saying they're suicidal and will use every tool at their disposal is questionable, to me. They were a cornered animal after the "12 day war". They proved they have some hypersonic missile capabilities that can penetrate, albeit even at a low success rate. I know Israel targeted a good number of their launchers, but I imagine a mountainous country would have some hidden.

I think a lot of people forget that while we're good at strategic bombing, that doesn't always mean we can just change everything in a few weeks. Iraq had shock and awe, and Yemen has seen decades of bombing campaigns, which commutatively challenges WWII. Yet, one of the poorest countries in the world still has a rebel force that hasn't been neutered after Saudi Arabia, Israel, and the US after decades.

I believe it's fair to ask if we've defanged Iran as much as we've been led to believe. To be fair, I think engaging them will give credence to the original justification. Keep attacking a country, they'll have to respond. And again, I think it's an incredibly autocratic and oppressive regime. But if they were suicidal, they could have landed more missiles or make a dirty bomb. They could have not warned the US ahead of the Qatari strike. The Hormuz Strait can still be contested (even if it doesn't last long).

I do not know CS, but I love discussing it... 

I was going to suggest it's doubtful, but Trump is on a heater, and he just may want to flick the Ayatollah's nose again 

Israel and the US flew how many sorties and lost how many pilots?

Iran has been slapped back enough; they have to look internally, or it could simmer over into a regime change. Posts elsewhere suggest they are looking into Chinese high-tech RADAR. The missile success ratio is way too low; more than likely, they would end up irradiating Jordan 

Grok suggests

Jordan also had significant missile interceptions and debris fallout, particularly during the April 2024 and June 2025 Iranian attacks on Israel. Jordanian Air Force intercepted around 22% of Iran’s ballistic missiles in June 2025, with additional interceptions by U.S. THAAD systems and ships in the region accounting for 25%. Debris from these interceptions damaged homes and cars in areas like Irbid and Aydoon, injuring at least five Jordanians.

Getting a huge AI meme supported MIGA Pahkavi push. 

The Iranian people deserve better, just hope it's quick and bloodless, but those rarely are. 

Whoever is in power is rounding up the dissidents already.

[CriticalStinker]

I do not know CS but I love discussing it... 

Israel and the US flew how many sorties and lost how many pilots? Iran has been slapped back enough; they have to look internally, or it could simmer over into a regime change.

Getting a huge AI meme supported MIGA Pahkavi push. 

The Iranian people deserve better, just hope it's quick and bloodless, but those rarely are. 

Whoever is in power is rounding up the dissidents already.

Very few conflicts have played out to be as "easy" as intended in the past decades.

From a military and logistics objective angle, we didn't do bad with Iraq and Afghanistan. But the macro failed, because we couldn't win hearts and minds. We can be the most dominant force on earth, but it means very little through a war if we can't win the ideological battle. 

Yea, it's a shame that the Iranian people live under an extremist religious dictatorship that is oppressive. So does Qatar and Saudi Arabia. 

We don't have strong consensus domestically, how are we supposed to sell our message abroad with the level of projection we're aiming for? It's easy to say Iran people deserve better, but we support many governments that have similar issues, even if we can argue how extreme one is vs the other.

That's been our issue in war after WWII in my opinion. We've either been inconsistent, or blatant in our true motives.

When I think of the gravity of how we dealt with Germany and Japan after WWII, I'm just shocked on our foreign policy now. We rebuilt those two countries after the most "black and white" war in recent history. Both are in the top ten economies on earth. 

We haven't declared war since then. And that to me just sounds so wild to say with such certainty. If you asked any American, they'd undoubtably tell you we've had several wars since then. But we just treat it so differently, and I think that's why we have such bad outcomes. 

Back to the original point, no war has gone as easy as the outmatched opponent has thought recently. Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, Gaza, Ukraine, and I'm sure many could point out what I'm missing.

When the populace can get behind it, I think there can be good outcomes. If it's questionable from the start, it's going to be a hard war.

[putnam6]

Very few conflicts have played out to be as "easy" as intended in the past decades.

From a military and logistics objective angle, we didn't do bad with Iraq and Afghanistan. But the macro failed, because we couldn't win hearts and minds. We can be the most dominant force on earth, but it means very little through a war if we can't win the ideological battle. 

Yea, it's a shame that the Iranian people live under an extremist religious dictatorship that is oppressive. So does Qatar and Saudi Arabia. 

We don't have strong consensus domestically, how are we supposed to sell our message abroad with the level of projection we're aiming for? It's easy to say Iran people deserve better, but we support many governments that have similar issues, even if we can argue how extreme one is vs the other.

That's been our issue in war after WWII in my opinion. We've either been inconsistent, or blatant in our true motives.

When I think of the gravity of how we dealt with Germany and Japan after WWII, I'm just shocked on our foreign policy now. We rebuilt those two countries after the most "black and white" war in recent history. Both are in the top ten economies on earth. 

We haven't declared war since then. And that to me just sounds so wild to say with such certainty. If you asked any American, they'd undoubtably tell you we've had several wars since then. But we just treat it so differently, and I think that's why we have such bad outcomes. 

Back to the original point, no war has gone as easy as the outmatched opponent has thought recently. Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, Gaza, Ukraine, and I'm sure many could point out what I'm missing.

When the populace can get behind it, I think there can be good outcomes. If it's questionable from the start, it's going to be a hard war.

In my first read-through, CS speaks with many wisdom-filled words, it's rational and easy to agree with most of them.

But the first and second Gulf Wars had relative high public support, and the first one we got in got out.

Uncle Sam is when bam, thank you ma'am kind of guy, the older he has become he is less inclined to put in the work a LTR requires.

But let's not pretend America could enforce the same degree as they did with Germany and Japan.

Then, Uncle Sam has no challengers and had a MSM and war-weary public on its side for the most part.

America had it briefly after 9/11, but Cheney and the MIC turned it into a money grab, no more, no less.

We were lied to, and our seemingly justified patriotic fervor was usurped for Haliburton and its political benefactors for self-enrichment. 

I believe this is as true as it gets without being 100%
 

 Summary: Halliburton’s KBR earned approximately $39.5 billion in Iraq-related contracts and at least $600 million in Afghanistan-related contracts, with profits in Iraq alone reported at $85 million in 2003 and $32 million in Q1 2004. Total profits are harder to pinpoint due to varying margins and allegations of overcharging, but estimates suggest hundreds of millions in profits from both conflicts, with Iraq being the primary revenue driver.

Iran is different. Trump needs the peace to maximize his Middle East deals; we don't need to occupy and even enforce a no-fly zone All we need is their BS to stay internal, isolated, and partially neutered We could easily have a pro-American government in IRAN thats occurs semi-organically. that's a hugely different scenario than in Baghdad and Kabul, completely, don't you think?

[CriticalStinker]

In my first read-through, CS speaks with many wisdom-filled words, it's rational and easy to agree with most of them.

But the first and second Gulf Wars had relative high public support, and the first one we got in got out.

Uncle Sam is when bam, thank you ma'am kind of guy, the older he has become he is less inclined to put in the work a LTR requires.

But let's not pretend America could enforce the same degree as they did with Germany and Japan.

Then, Uncle Sam has no challengers and had a MSM and war-weary public on its side for the most part.

America had it briefly after 9/11, but Cheney and the MIC turned it into a money grab, no more, no less.

We were lied to, and our seemingly justified patriotic fervor was usurped for Haliburton and its political benefactors for self-enrichment. 

I believe this as true as it gets without being 100%
 

Like I said, from an objective and logistics standpoint we're often successful. 

Desert Storm was an incredibly swift war, and is a fair case study for your point. 

But it was a result of our failed policy in the first place.

We built Iran's first nuclear reactor, we supported Saddam, Bin Laden started as a CIA tactician to push back on the USSR... There's a theme here, and it's that we're horrible in the Middle East.

Hell, we kept the Saudi Arabian part of the 9/11 Commission report out for a few years. If you ask most people in "the know" for media, they'd say Al Jazeera is terrorist sympathetic while ignoring the fact our biggest base in the region is Qatar... Al Jazeera is a Qatari outlet. 

I don't suddenly think we have that region figured out when it's still in the state it is.

[putnam6]

Like I said, from an objective and logistics standpoint we're often successful. 

Desert Storm was an incredibly swift war, and is a fair case study for your point. 

But it was a result of our failed policy in the first place.

We built Iran's first nuclear reactor, we supported Saddam, Bin Laden started as a CIA tactician to push back on the USSR... There's a theme here, and it's that we're horrible in the Middle East.

Hell, we kept the Saudi Arabian part of the 9/11 Commission report out for a few years. If you ask most people in "the know" for media, they'd say Al Jazeera is terrorist sympathetic while ignoring the fact our biggest base in the region is Qatar... Al Jazeera is a Qatari outlet. 

I don't suddenly think we have that region figured out when it's still in the state it is.

Yeah, Ive grown weary of America and the West being blamed for the Middle East tensions. Jews and Iranians would love each other without the Mayflower

Sure contributed, but we didn't start that fire...

Not to mention?

I added to my initial response, there is no nation-building component to Trump's plan, unlike Bush

[CriticalStinker]

Yeah, Ive grown weary of America and the West being blamed for the Middle East tensions. Jews and Iranians would love each other without the Mayflower

Sure contributed, but we didn't start that fire...

Not to mention?

I added to my initial response, there is no nation-building component to Trump's plan, unlike Bush

They can be natural adversaries, and our policy in the region can be failed. Both can be true without saying all of it is the direct fault of the US.

One of the few things most Americans can agree on is that our foreign policy in the ME has been disastrous. That doesn’t mean it’s all our fault, they’d probably be fighting anyways. I just think it’s fair to admit maybe we’ve misread the region for many decades.

[quintessentone]

Now prove all your "sources" aren't lying 

I know your little secret 

There is no little secret with me, there is only the big secret with everyone being conned.

[Bush Master]

sources like this....[Video: https://youtu.be/ZyyyDhdbPuc]

JenGriffinFNC
NEW SATELLITE IMAGES FROM FORDOW show activity near bombed ventilation shafts. “MAXAR collected new high-resolution satellite imagery today (June 29th) that reveals ongoing activity at and near the ventilation shafts and holes caused by last week’s airstrikes on the Fordow fuel enrichment complex in Iran. On today’s imagery, an excavator and several personnel are positioned immediately next to the northern shaft on the ridge above the underground complex. The crane appears to be operating at the entrance to the shaft/hole. Several additional vehicles are also seen below the ridge and are parked along the access path that was built to access the site. In the link provided below, you can download several images from today which provide an overview of the complex, closer views of the activity on top of the ridge as well as views of the tunnel entrances to the underground complex.” @Maxar
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https://x.com/JenGriffinFNC/status/1939399147133542538
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It makes a hell of a lot of sense for an international team to be assessing Fordow than for Iran to be poking around in clear view.

I'm just saying, they aren't gonna announce to the world what is actually going on. I wouldn't want to be standing around with a pick and shovel under air attack! I'm probably wrong though, just that IRGC is toast. 


btw- Paris is burning....

[quintessentone]

It makes a hell of a lot of sense for an international team to be assessing Fordow than for Iran to be poking around in clear view.

I'm just saying, they aren't gonna announce to the world what is actually going on. I wouldn't want to be standing around with a pick and shovel under air attack! I'm probably wrong though, just that IRGC is toast. 


btw- Paris is burning....
[Video: https://youtu.be/ZyyyDhdbPuc]

Most people around the world want a change for the betterment of humanity.